# I don't think I can say this in the Elections forum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 10, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297 "2016-11-10T00:33:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/41 "2016-11-10T02:47:02Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Take some fucking class lessons from the other conservatives here - **Bricker** ’s a great example. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Heh, possibly my first genuine post-election chuckle. [Aye, not the best example of a classy poster, IMO](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=810144). ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/42 "2016-11-10T02:49:47Z")
C’mon guys. You are thinking the President is much more powerful than he is. Just like the right claiming that Obama was going to outlaw all guns and cede sovereignty to the U.N, thinking that the Trumpster can devastate the world economy is silly. One of the worst things we are going to encounter are threads from an invigorated asshole like \*\*Omg a Black Conservative \*\*! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/43 "2016-11-10T02:50:39Z")
This is actually a perfect example of a true Trump supporter, and why I say it makes them truly evil. The guy doesn’t even actually post here anymore. The only reason he is here at all is that he enjoys hurting other people. He’s here because he got his feelings hurt 4 years ago by people celebrating. And, like Trump, that’s all he cares about. No morality. Just getting even. The irony is that Trump won with at least 20% of the population who are flat out alt-right racists. They are going to feel empowered, just like happened in the UK with Brexit. The OP is going to face open racism. And yet, I can’t even be happy about that. Because, unlike him, I try to be a good person. I try to care about others. So I will, as I suggested, put him on ignore, so that I don’t intentionally hurt him. And I will pray for his eternal soul, because he clearly needs it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/44 "2016-11-10T02:56:44Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > C’mon guys. You are thinking the President is much more powerful than he is. Just like the right claiming that Obama was going to outlaw all guns and cede sovereignty to the U.N, thinking that the Trumpster can devastate the world economy is silly. > > One of the worst things we are going to encounter are threads from an invigorated asshole like \*\*Omg a Black Conservative \*\*! We don’t just have Trump in office. We have a majority Republican in both houses, and multiple Supreme Court justices who may retire/die. And the economy is already feeling it. Yes, hopefully things won’t be as bad as people are worrying it will be. In my experience, it usually isn’t. But shitting on people for being worried is a jerk move. And the President is not so weak that he can’t do anything without help. He is the head of a co-equal branch of the government. He can not enforce or enforce any law he wants. And we have a corrupt businessman in office. Our best hope, frankly, is that he dies. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/45 "2016-11-10T03:08:24Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > We don’t just have Trump in office. We have a majority Republican in both houses Yeah, what happened to the safeguard position of “I’ll vote for Trump as a protest, but even if he wins, congress will keep him in check”. By that strategy, people voting for Trump should also have been voting Democrat for their Senate/House races. As a minor additional note, I’m somewhat baffled by people who say voting for Trump was a vote for change. Isn’t that “change” in the sense of “change things back to how I remember the 1950s, or at least how I _picture_ the 1950s.” It’s not “change” in the sense of “we have new knowledge and technologies available to us, and a new understanding of the potential of the individual, so let’s change _and update_ the political process to reflect these new opportunities.” ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/46 "2016-11-10T03:13:54Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > This is actually a perfect example of a true Trump supporter, and why I say it makes them truly evil. > > The guy doesn’t even actually post here anymore. The only reason he is here at all is that he enjoys hurting other people. He’s here because he got his feelings hurt 4 years ago by people celebrating. And, like Trump, that’s all he cares about. No morality. Just getting even. > > The irony is that Trump won with at least 20% of the population who are flat out alt-right racists. They are going to feel empowered, just like happened in the UK with Brexit. The OP is going to face open racism. > > And yet, I can’t even be happy about that. Because, unlike him, I try to be a good person. I try to care about others. > > So I will, as I suggested, put him on ignore, so that I don’t intentionally hurt him. > > And I will pray for his eternal soul, because he clearly needs it. Actually, I have been posting, lbeit infrequently (was back before the election, maybe in September or October). But this is about a great time as any to start posting again! And, no, I’m not going to experience open racism. That’s silly, and is extreme histrionics. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/47 "2016-11-10T03:22:08Z")
[Here’s a taste of what could be done without any “checks and balances”](http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/how-much-power-will-president-donald-trump-have-when-he-takes-power-20161110-gsm2iz.html), and that’s not even counting the power of a Republican House and Senate: > [@](#): > > Some things Trump can do at the stroke of a pen, by executive orders, like those by Obama that Trump plans to obliterate – say, axe the Paris Agreement on greenhouse-gas emissions; cut funding for research on climate change; order a renegotiation of the terms of the Iran nuclear deal; a ban on Muslims entering the US or a “politically correct” version of this; kick-start the controversial Keystone pipeline; order the Justice Department to investigate particular kinds of crimes, say something that a business enemy might have done; or conduct such as Hillary Clinton’s handling of her email server, by which he might achieve his “you’re going to jail” objective. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/48 "2016-11-10T03:29:01Z")
> [@tenacious\_j](#): > > So you’d vote for anyone, anyone at all, who didn’t do any of these things? Like me? A totally unqualified, very average American? That’s what makes Hillary no good in your eyes, but it doesn’t elevate this jackass to the level of leader of the free world. I don’t care which side of the fence you fell on politically, he’s not qualified and as people said, this isn’t a fucking sport with winners and losers. It’s a collective effort and you’re part of the problem. That’s not fair. A LOT of people would pick you over Hillary. A lot of people would have picked you over either of the candidates. Who are you again? ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/49 "2016-11-10T03:33:02Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Let me preface this by saying… > > Hahahahahaha to all the smug liberals now crying the tastiest of tears. The sheer despair of watching the liberal sheep in Hollywood, the media, on social media, on this board and in real life makes voting for Donald the mother fucking man Trump so goddamn fucking with it! Cry more, please! Show me your anguish, your pain and your fears. > > IT’S S GREAT DAY FOR AMERICA! [Myron Ebell - Climate Denialist Par Excellence - to Head Trump’s EPA Transition Team](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/) This guy, who has no climatology qualifications and thinks climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the EU to destroy the US economy, will now be instrumental in hammering out Trump’s environmental policy. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/50 "2016-11-10T03:36:04Z")
Its not like we didn’t have assjacks gloating and acting poorly when we beat Romney (Romney’s not looking so bad right now, is he?). Enjoy your victory. There is only so much Trump can do without 60 senators and I don’t think he will ever get it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/51 "2016-11-10T03:39:42Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > OMG, a black imbecile. An imbecile anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/52 "2016-11-10T03:46:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > As a minor additional note, I’m somewhat baffled by people who say voting for Trump was a vote for change. Isn’t that “change” in the sense of “change things back to how I remember the 1950s, or at least how I _picture_ the 1950s.” It’s not “change” in the sense of “we have new knowledge and technologies available to us, and a new understanding of the potential of the individual, so let’s change _and update_ the political process to reflect these new opportunities.” Let’s assume that you do not like eating liver. It’s all there is to eat, you’re told, and it will keep you alive and healthy and stuff, so you eat it. You don’t enjoy it, but you eat it. It’s served a hundred different ways, but at it’s core it’s still liver. You do this for your entire life, and no matter what you do, it’s always liver. There is no way for you to choose anything other than liver, although it can be garnished a hundred different ways. Now along comes a guy who says “There’s a burrito and some salsa over there.” Are you gonna tell him that you think that might finally make the liver palatable, or are you gonna ditch the liver and eat the burrito? You have no idea what’s in the burrito, but you’re 99% sure it isn’t liver. It could be chicken, beef, pork, gecko meat, a couple of ground-up bugs… but it isn’t gonna be liver. It could be poisonous, even, but it won’t be liver. That’s how about half the country feels right now: sick of eating shit they don’t like. Sick of a political process that they feel only takes things from them and gives it to rich people with influence and connections. The government is actively making their lives worse, in their view, and improving the lives of people with enough money to improve their own damn lives. And now a lot of them have found a guy who has not just burritos and salsa, but who moves like a bull in a china shop even when he’s alone in a field. Of course they voted for him. People are not seeking to change a process that they feel doesn’t work for them; they want the old system torn down. They don’t want to improve what’s already there; they want to remove what’s already there. People didn’t vote for Trump because they think we can go back to living inside _Happy Days_; they voted for Trump because they think he’ll fuck shit up (“shit” being “the way things are today”). I posted about this back in March and my words were largely dismissed. I think that’s a shame because understanding the voting public is the single most important thing in an election, and clearly Mrs. Clinton’s campaign did not understand the voting public well. The voting public is angry, and they are angry at the entire political system. A large part of that anger is a result of people not understanding our political system and feeling blindsided by a lot of what happens. A larger part is the realization that so many people have had over the last 10 years that the government really and truly doesn’t work for We The People, but for Them The Rich People. Only people have been conditioned to love money, so they have a hard time hating people with money because they want to be those people. So they diffuse that hate down to the People Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense. They don’t care that Mr. Trump is one of Those Rich Jerks, because he isn’t one the Political Jerks Who Enable The Rich Jerks At Our Expense. Trump voters don’t care about facts: facts don’t help them in their daily lives, just like algebra and a knowledge of 19th century French history doesn’t help them in their daily lives. The second most important part of this all, IMO, is that most people feel powerless. Their votes have no real meaning because both party’s candidates will undoubtedly prove to be Jerks Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense, it just might be a slightly different set of Rich People. By voting for Trump, they could tell all the Jerks Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense to go fuck themselves and their little dog Toto, too. Please don’t make the mistake of thinking this election was about changing the system. It was a great shout that the system is not meeting the needs of the people and the people are tired of it and angry. Very angry. Red-faced screaming nearly incoherent obscenities angry. it’s been more than 8 years since the Housing Bubble Collapse, and we see that the rich people didn’t suffer at all, even tho we did. They didn’t lose their houses; we did. They didn’t watch their tax money go to the very people who robbed us of our houses, courtesy of the Jerks Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense; we did. * * * Sorry, I got a little long-winded there. Anyway, nobody voted for Trump because they want to make changes to the system; the only change they want is for a new system, one that might, MIGHT, listen to them and do what they want, not what some Rich Jerk/Liberal/immigrant/Hollywood celeb/etc./etc. wants. And they don’t particularly care if shit gets fucked up in the meantime because to them, it’s already pretty ddamned fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/53 "2016-11-10T03:55:13Z")
**Snowboarder Bo** nails it. From Michael Moore: > [@](#): > > 1. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You’re fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/54 "2016-11-10T04:29:02Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > **Snowboarder Bo** nails it. > > From Michael Moore: Thank you for reading my post and for your kind words. ---
**Author:** ![tenacious\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tenacious\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tenacious_j)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/55 "2016-11-10T04:33:20Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Actually, I have been posting, lbeit infrequently (was back before the election, maybe in September or October). But this is about a great time as any to start posting again! > > And, no, I’m not going to experience open racism. That’s silly, and is extreme histrionics. Really? No open racism? Because I see it more than I’d like and I’m as white as they come. Congratulations on being the black guy who’s never discriminated against or disrepected. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > …The voting public is angry, and they are angry at the entire political system. A large part of that anger is a result of people not understanding our political system and feeling blindsided by a lot of what happens. A larger part is the realization that so many people have had over the last 10 years that the government really and truly doesn’t work for We The People, but for Them The Rich People. Only people have been conditioned to love money, so they have a hard time hating people with money because they want to be those people. So they diffuse that hate down to the People Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense. They don’t care that Mr. Trump is one of Those Rich Jerks, because he isn’t one the Political Jerks Who Enable The Rich Jerks At Our Expense. > > Trump voters don’t care about facts: facts don’t help them in their daily lives, just like algebra and a knowledge of 19th century French history doesn’t help them in their daily lives. > > The second most important part of this all, IMO, is that most people feel powerless. Their votes have no real meaning because both party’s candidates will undoubtedly prove to be Jerks Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense, it just might be a slightly different set of Rich People. By voting for Trump, they could tell all the Jerks Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense to go fuck themselves and their little dog Toto, too. > > Please don’t make the mistake of thinking this election was about changing the system. It was a great shout that the system is not meeting the needs of the people and the people are tired of it and angry. Very angry. Red-faced screaming nearly incoherent obscenities angry. > > it’s been more than 8 years since the Housing Bubble Collapse, and we see that the rich people didn’t suffer at all, even tho we did. They didn’t lose their houses; we did. They didn’t watch their tax money go to the very people who robbed us of our houses, courtesy of the Jerks Who Enable The Rich People At Our Expense; we did. > > * * * > > Sorry, I got a little long-winded there. > > Anyway, nobody voted for Trump because they want to make changes to the system; the only change they want is for a new system, one that might, MIGHT, listen to them and do what they want, not what some Rich Jerk/Liberal/immigrant/Hollywood celeb/etc./etc. wants. And they don’t particularly care if shit gets fucked up in the meantime because to them, it’s already pretty ddamned fucked up. I hear you, and I would love a burrito myself after 40 years of liver, but wasn’t Mr. Obama a tasty burrito? He isn’t a legacy and wasn’t as entrenched in DC bullshit as, say, Hillary, at the time he was elected. Maybe I need to read more about it. Also, this isn’t necessarily the forum for it, but I need to get this off my chest. Feel free to disregard as rhetorical therapy: How the fuck do they think a guy who admittedly rooted for the housing collapse and made a killing off our individual losses, and then called us all losers, is going to be their champion? What the fuckety fucking fuck? This guy is the Pope of the Rich People Who Are Enabled At Our Expense. K. I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![pidgeon92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/50afbb/32.png) [@pidgeon92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pidgeon92)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/56 "2016-11-10T04:33:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > … > > Our best hope, frankly, is that he dies. Or quits. Quite frankly, I don’t think he ever wanted the job, just the notoriety. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/57 "2016-11-10T04:45:31Z")
> [@tenacious\_j](#): > > I hear you, and I would love a burrito myself after 40 years of liver, but wasn’t Mr. Obama a tasty burrito? He isn’t a legacy and wasn’t as entrenched in DC bullshit as, say, Hillary, at the time he was elected. Maybe I need to read more about it. No, Mr. Obama was liver but with a different-looking garnish. It turned out to be more radishes, but they were cut in curly-Qs and made to look like truffles. Seriously, nothing that has happened in the past 8 years is very different from the previous 8 years, except the ACA, and nobody loves the ACA. Plenty of people like it better than no ACA, but _nobody_ loves it. The obstructionism of the GOP ensured that nothing else of significance got done during the remaining 6 years of Obama’s terms, so no, he and his administration (which included Mrs. Clinton, already a 20 year presence in Washington, DC) look like every other POTUS administration. ETA: Key point: Obama was a part of the very same system that gave us Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, Al Gore, etc. He made his way thru the system just like they did, altho at a much faster pace. > [@tenacious\_j](#): > > Also, this isn’t necessarily the forum for it, but I need to get this off my chest. Feel free to disregard as rhetorical therapy: > How the fuck do they think a guy who admittedly rooted for the housing collapse and made a killing off our individual losses, and then called us all losers, is going to be their champion? What the fuckety fucking fuck? This guy is the Pope of the Rich People Who Are Enabled At Our Expense. > K. I’m done. I’ve said this before: stop trying to make Trump voters needs and actions make sense. They don’t. They are too angry, too frazzled and feeling too powerless to be dissuaded with logical arguments. Think of them as people who’ve had to pee for 8 hours but have been told “just hold it in a little longer; we’re almost there” if it helps. People in that situation don’t care that a really nice bathroom is just 30 minutes away or that people will see them pissing or that they’ll have to clean up the piss later; they just want to take a piss. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/58 "2016-11-10T05:17:54Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Let’s assume that you do not like eating liver. You raise a number of interesting and valid points and I’ll adjust my view, but I’m not sure that wanting to replace the system with _anything_ is an improvement over wanting to replace the system with _how things used to be_. There certainly was a “shake-things-up” time in recent history - the Tea Party rise in 2010 - but that didn’t seem to help matters for the Trump supporters you describe (did it?) and I admit finding it kind of depressing that a plurality of American voters will follow someone who promises to take them someplace different for the sake of being someplace different, rather that pursue rational methods to improve their lot in plausible ways. Sure, a lot of them were pissed at Obamacare, for example, but Obamacare was relatively recent. Where is the demand for something _better_ than Obamacare? I get that Trump was clever in saying not just “I’ll repeal Obamacare” but “I’ll repeal _and replace_ Obamacare”, dangling a promise of something better, but what aside from that promise did he actually offer and can deliver? It saddens me that a lot of Americans are seemingly stupid, but I’m not less depressed by the idea that many of them are vaguely angry enough and directionless enough to do something stupid and random out of desperation instead of something specific that might work for them. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/59 "2016-11-10T05:35:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > {…} There is only so much Trump can do without 60 senators and I don’t think he will ever get it. That’s not quite as worrying as this; There’s too much that 60 Senators can do _with_ Trump and they know it. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/60 "2016-11-10T05:49:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > We don’t just have Trump in office. We have a majority Republican in both houses, and multiple Supreme Court justices who may retire/die. And the economy is already feeling it. > > Yes, hopefully things won’t be as bad as people are worrying it will be. In my experience, it usually isn’t. But shitting on people for being worried is a jerk move. > > And the President is not so weak that he can’t do anything without help. He is the head of a co-equal branch of the government. He can not enforce or enforce any law he wants. And we have a corrupt businessman in office. > > Our best hope, frankly, is that he dies. Imagine if someone wished Obama dead in 2008? This post is simply misguided. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297.md?page=4)