I don't think that Caroline Kennedy is qualified for the NY Senate seat.

I think anybody familar with the SAG would tell you that it’s more difficult to manage than even the state of California. :smiley: Or so I’ve read.

Schwarzenegger had a long-standing record of financial success and accomplishment (real estate and bodybuilding primarily) long before he bacame an actor, and then was then became involved in the financial and promotional aspects of his films, serving as executive producer on, IIRC, at least a couple of his films. He had, as he has shown since becoming governor, become very knowledgeable in handling finances and negotiations and was a very effective people manager by the time he was elected governor.

You don’t? Are you kidding me? If her husband hadn’t been president no one would have ever heard of her. And what qualifications did she bring to the table apart from what she gained riding Bill’s coattails? And do you really think New Yorkers didn’t think that she brought with her some major political influence due to her husband’s status and connections?

Well, those are a couple of major obstacles for most candidates, aren’t they?

She seems to have that reputation, but frankly I’m a hell of a lot less impressed with her intelligence and capability since the primary election than I expected to be. She showed herself to be very incapable of thinking on her feet; adjusting her game plan; getting her message across believably and effectively; and in gaining a nomination that she had previously been a shoo-in to win.

And of course this is not to mention the healthcare fiasco that she instituted and managed during her husband’s first term, nor the blatant dishonesty and outright lies with which she conducts campaigns and lives her daily life.

I don’t believe that. He certainly didn’t do it solely and nakedly with the primary purpose of becoming president, and he wasn’t elected by the people of California with the expectation that he would bail as soon as a higher office or politically expedient cabinet post arose.

To my chagrin, you are correct.

Nope. Like most of what I do around here, I was giving my opinion.

Well, perhaps this is one of the reasons they get called bozos.
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Do you have any factual, concrete reason for alleging that she did not provide quality representation?
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Yes, but you won’t like it. I read it on these boards during the Democratic primaries. I recall reading her meager record of accomplishment but don’t recall the specific thread. Sorry.

Nope.

Because in my opinion the only reason she ran for office in New York was to gain an acceptable patina to run for president, and now that an opportunity has arisen to try to gain additional patina elsewhere, she off like a shot. She has no loyalty to New York and never has…in my opinion, that is.

I would imagine you’re right. Seeing as how they elected her knowing she had no real interest in the job and was only using it (and them) as a stepping stone to higher office, it wouldn’t be surpising to see them root for her to be landing on a new stepping stone now. This is largely why some of us think they’re bozos.

If they left the public eye, perhaps. Other than that, no.

Fair enough.

OK, let’s try this. If Clinton bashing is OK, how about a lefty favorite instead?

George W. Bush certainly had plenty of proven executive failure of his own before he became Governor of Texas.

He sure had big suck because Daddy was Prez. In fact, he worked on the campaign. That was all his governmental experience prior, besides a failed Congressional run.

Yes, those Texans sure are bozos.

Well, I’m not sure how deep the roots of the Bush family go in Texas, but Jeb Bush certainly hoodwinked those Floridians with his carpet bag, didn’t he? Caroline Kennedy has lived in NY far longer than Jeb lived in FLA before running for its highest office.

I think Texas and Florida speak for themselves as to what quality of representation they got, and their bozo-hood.

My point being, you can single out Hillary Clinton for scorn, and heap it on Caroline Kennedy, but it’s sheer partisanship. The Republicans have their share of celebrity candidates, and candidates who go very far in American politics due to the “who’s your daddy?” factor. If you’re OK with Reagan and Arnold, and had no problem with W and Jeb, then I’d think you’d ease up on Hillary and Caroline. Though relinquishing Clinton-bashing and Kennedy-bashing as hobbies would leave great voids, I’m sure.

I don’t have a dog in the fight, but the fact that she’s one Kennedy who has (as far as I know) managed to avoid arrest, drug addiction, and/or messy public scandal says a lot about her.

Or maybe it says a lot about the rest of the Kennedys.

Or maybe it says a lot about me.

The amount of love for my mad limericking skillz is just underwhelming.

Just thought I’d say.

Also, I just have to say, if someone on the left used the above as justification for some actor becoming governor, I’m sure the scoffing would be deafening. He made a lot of money at bodybuilding and was the producer of some of his own films? That qualifies him, without any prior elected office, to be Governor of CA? Really? Then I feel safe saying that Hillary Clinton and Caroline Kennedy are both qualified to be Senators. You’ve set the baseline pretty low.

Note the bolded word: become. Via on the job training. Also, California’s state budget is considered to be in crisis. I’m not saying that’s all Arnold’s fault, but you can’t point to CA right now and say, “Wow, he’s really a brilliant manager!”

She was starting to make a name for herself before they got married, so I doubt this.

No less of an American patriot, Founding Father and all-around genius than Benjamin Franklin would quite agree. He felt that ideally, elected offices should be held by those who are well-enough off that they have no need for the money, fame, and power that can come with elected office. His thought was that they are far less susceptible to corruption that way, and hence, more effective and beneficial to their constituents.

I tend to agree. Go Caroline.

Hillary’s election to the senate was based on two things: her last name and her promises to the upstate region. Seeing as how she’s done jack to attempt to help the upstate region, I think it’s safe to say that her election was a bust and that the people that voted her in were bozos.

Of course, if the pubbies had run someone, anyone, decent against her this mess never would have happened. Sarah Palin had more name recognition in May than Rick Lazio did when running against Hillary.