# I don't understand holocaust denial **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 11, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963 "2017-03-11T23:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/221 "2017-03-19T14:58:55Z")
I dont really care if they died of gas or disease or shooting the point is that millions of Jews and others died. I dont know what 100% of the truth is but the fact is millions of Jews used to live in places like Germany. They were demonized, excluded, and later removed and shoved into concentration camps. Millions never returned. The Nazis and all the other anti-semite supporters were scum to me including the ones today who are living in stolen Jewish property. What, you think Anne Frank went into hiding for the fun of it? You think [Corrie Ten Boom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrie_ten_Boom)sat back and watched her father and sister die for daring to rescue Jews was some sort of silly mistake? In Denmark when the Nazis demanded the Jews wear the yellow star practically the whole country including the king put them on. Later when Jews were deported the Danish government demanded and got many back. Was that a misunderstanding? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/222 "2017-03-19T16:16:13Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > This analogy would work better if the written confession was obtained following 3 days of torture and the eyewitness evidence regarding another murder had later turned out to be false. No it wouldn’t, since the vast majority of the evidence of the Holocaust is reliable and corroborated. > [@](#): > > Also, you’re ignoring that aside from the orders regarding provision of medical assistance to jewish inmates, there are the actual inmate records. Whether true or not, this does nothing to discount the massive amounts of evidence, including the recorded words of Himmler explicitly discussing the extermination of Jewish men, women, and children. > [@](#): > > According to the official story, from spring 1942 at Auschwitz all Jews unable to work were gassed upon arrival without previous registration. Cite. Every one of your assertions in this thread has been so suspect that you should have a cite for each one – your assertions have been that inaccurate. > [@](#): > > If this assertion were true, no names of old Jews or Jewish children would figure in the Sterbebücher of Auschwitz. But a study of these documents, which were published in printed form in 1995 (Staatliches Museum Auschwitz-Birkenau (ed.), Die Sterbebücher von Auschwitz, Saur Verlag, Munich 1995), reveals that many old Jews and Jewish children were registered at Auschwitz: > > – 2 Jews over 90 years of age; > > – 73 Jews from 80 to 90 years of age; > > – 482 Jews from 70 to 80 years of age; > > – 2,083 Jews from 60 to 70 years of age; > > – 2,584 Jews from 0 to 10 years of age. > > Plus there are records like this that make no sense if there was a mass extermination programme: > > \*\*On 27 July 1944 the administration of the Auschwitz camp compiled a statistics about the prisoners “temporarily quartered in the camp of the Hungarian Jews.” The document shows that until that date 3,138 Hungarian Jews had received medical treatment at the camp hospital. 1,426 of them had undergone surgical operation. \*\*(Gosudarstevenny Arkhiv Rossiskoj Federatsii, Moscow, 7021-108-32, p. 76.) More distracting bullshit – there’s a mountain of evidence, including confessions and eyewitness statements, physical evidence, and recorded words of Nazi leaders, for the Holocaust. Whatever few statistics show that in some cases not all Jews were immediately exterminated do nothing to refute this mountain of evidence. If you actually believe the stuff you’re saying, then you were lied to – someone gave you worthless information (like the laughable bullshit about the German words for exterminate). ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/223 "2017-03-19T18:28:21Z")
Wow, 5 pages and a lot of words. Let me explain it all in three. It’s the JEWS !!! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/224 "2017-03-19T19:06:32Z")
> [@1224rattusrattus](#): > > Lets be frank, holocaust denial is a frivolous pastime for fruitloops, and with greater education about what took place there is less danger that non-racist people will claim it was a hoax. However there is a big problem with the fact that it is often presented as a uniquely Jewish event when clearly they were only half the victims. To constantly quote the 6 million figure is scandalous as it is an insult to the other five million Gypsies, disabled, ‘communists’, don’t like the look of him, etc. who lost their lives. While this ommission is done out of ignorance, it surprises me that more is not done to stop it’s propogation. In a way it has become a holocaust denial of it’s own, and although not intentionally malicious it has effectively made it easier for anti-semitic holocaust deniers and other racist conspiracy theorists to peddle their lies and sew doubt among people. I do not agree with the contention that “Jews are monopolizing the Holocaust” (as some put it). The Holocaust is often treated by historians as principally affecting Jews…because Jews were [the main target](http://www.aish.com/ho/i/Was_the_Holocaust_Only_Against_Jews.html). _“Without detracting in any way from the gravity of the crimes perpetrated against all victims of Nazism, it seems that major distinctions exist between their Jewish and non-Jewish victims: Only the Jews were singled out for total destruction. From the ideological principles formulated in Mein Kampf to the original anti-Jewish legislation in Germany of the 1930s, the Jews were singled out as the focus of German wrath. According to the Commentaries to the German Racial Laws of 1936: “The Blood Protection Law deals with the segregation of Jewish and German blood from the biological point of view… As an acute danger threatened the German people from Jewry alone, the law aims primarily at the prevention of further mixing of blood with the Jews.” The government-sponsored pogroms in November 1938 did not include Polish nationals or businesses or Catholic churches. Mass Jewish emigration was Germany’s goal at that point. The formulation of the “Final Solution” to the Jewish problem in January 1942 did not treat the Polish or Russian ethnic problem or outline worldwide extermination of homosexuals, but dealt exclusively with the anticipated extermination of the 11 million Jews of Europe. At no point did any plan for the total murder of any other population exist formally or informally other than of the Jews.”_ Further, while it is natural for any ethnic group to be preoccupied with its own history, Jewish groups [do not minimize the sufferings of others](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust) in the Holocaust. And while Jews have historically been in the forefront of urging study and remembrance of the Holocaust, there is nothing to stop other affected groups and nationalities from similar activism. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/225 "2017-03-20T14:07:39Z")
I ask the holocaust deniers again, do you think Anne Frank and her family went into hiding for 2 years for the fun of it? Ok, yes. She died at Auschwitz but not in the gas chambers. She died of typhus. But the fact is if she hadn’t been put in there in the first place she would not have died at all. ---
**Author:** ![chaika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chaika/32/405_2.png) [@chaika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/226 "2017-03-20T15:50:10Z")
> [@Weisshund](#): > > Oh and i believe i found you on your other website. > You are copying the same exact stuff, word for word including your misspellings. > It’s either you, or you are plagiarizing some other anti Jewish guy word for word. I rather hope that you did find Chen019’s website. At least that would mean the ranks of Holocaust deniers is smaller by one. But I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it turns out to be plagiarism. Holocaust denial is, after all, based on a fundamental (and deeply abhorrent) dishonesty in interpreting the historical record. People who follow this ideology are not, I would imagine, terribly scrupulous when it comes to plagiarism. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/227 "2017-03-22T10:02:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No it wouldn’t, since the vast majority of the evidence of the Holocaust is reliable and corroborated. Not true. It’s ridden with outrageous claims that have subsequently been accepted to be false. And they always happen in the direction of spreading war propaganda. Look at **Buchenwald** > [@](#): > > “I saw thousands and thousands of persons going into the showers. Instead of liquid, asphyxiating gases poured out over them.” > > Jean-Paul Renard > [@](#): > > Everything had been provided for down to the smallest detail. In 1944, at Buchenwald, they had even lengthened a railway line so that the deportees might be led directly to the gas chamber. Certain [of the gas chambers] had a floor that tipped and immediately directed the bodies into the room with the crematory oven. > > French government report - exhibit RF-301Nuremberg Tribunal > [@](#): > > “In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day.” > > Elie Wiesel \*\*And yet this turned out to be nonsense. \*\* > [@](#): > > Whether true or not, this does nothing to discount the massive amounts of evidence, including the recorded words of Himmler explicitly discussing the extermination of Jewish men, women, and children. As noted above, the veracity of those comments is dubious and it is contradicted by the inmate records and other orders to provide medical assistance to jewish prisoners. All of which is completely at odds with an extermination programme. > [@](#): > > Cite. Every one of your assertions in this thread has been so suspect that you should have a cite for each one – your assertions have been that inaccurate. You need a citation for the claim that _according to the official story, from spring 1942 at Auschwitz all Jews unable to work were gassed upon arrival without previous registration._? Ok, try the [Holocaust Encyclopedia](https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007327), which relevantly provides: > [@](#): > > From the first transports of Slovak Jews in spring 1942, the SS established a practice of selections, in which those arriving Jews who were unable to work were sent directly to two makeshift gas chambers. > [@](#): > > More distracting bullshit – there’s a mountain of evidence, including confessions and eyewitness statements, physical evidence, and recorded words of Nazi leaders, for the Holocaust. Whatever few statistics show that in some cases not all Jews were immediately exterminated do nothing to refute this mountain of evidence. > > If you actually believe the stuff you’re saying, then you were lied to – someone gave you worthless information (like the laughable bullshit about the German words for exterminate). The confessions were extracted by torture, threats against family members, mock trials where death sentences were pronounced etc. They have no credibility. What physical evidence are you referring to? The physical evidence is that the claims regarding gassing in Germany were false. The evidence regarding Auschwitz is that there were significant efforts to reduce the typhus epidemics and zyklon was used to disenfect clothing & bedding in small delousing facilities. There is certainly no physical evidence to support the claim that people were gassed there, quite the opposite. Even basic things like the fact the doors in Auschwitzwere made out of simple wood - such doors, especially when opening outwardly, could never resist a panicking crowd of several hundred people. They were also not gas tight. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/228 "2017-03-22T10:06:10Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > It is unlikely that “greater education” would have worked. [Rassinier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rassinier) was a bit of a different duck who started out as a Left wing iconoclast. However, his various papers and books were often filled with factual errors used to bolster his claims, making him a less than reliable witness to the Holocaust. (Beyond factual errors, he aso attempted to extrapolate events at the extermination camps from events at the work camps without actually having any experience with the extermination camps.) Political ideology is not a good basis on which to build history. It is interesting that you have invoked his name in the cause of attacking political ideology as a basis on which to write history. > > I do not agree with the German laws that do criminalize discussion, but those German laws do not limit publications in the U.S., Britain, or other countries. [Rudolf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germar_Rudolf)’s “testing” of gas chambers have been demonstrated to be nonsense, as he tested for values that would not have survived the roughly 40 years that elapsed before he began his testing. I think you’re confusing Rudolf with the polish team who chose a method of analysis which excluded the detection of Iron Blue compounds? Iron Blue (Ferro-Ferri-Cyanide) is an very stable pigment. It is insoluble in water and resistant to acid rain. This is vividly demonstrated by the outer walls of the delousing facilities in Birkenau (those buildings have no gutters, and thus a lot of rain flows down the walls). These walls were exposed to acid rain for more than 50 years, yet they are covered with Iron Blue residue. For those who find the chemistry tedious, I’d recommend some of the questions posed by David Cole following his visit to the camps in Poland: > [@](#): > > Also, the Auschwitz camp barracks and offices, which were fumigated with the Zyklon B from time to time, show similarly minute traces of the gas, and no blue staining. > > (1) What explanation can there be for the low levels of traces, and absence of blue staining, in the homicidal gas chambers? > > (2) If one suggests that the Zyklon traces in the homicidal gas chambers have been “weathered away”, how can one explain the traces and staining on the OUTSIDE of the delousing complexes…traces which have NOT been weathered away after fifty years?The buildings which used to serve as the camp delousing facilities still have extremely high traces of the gas Zyklon B, which was used in these buildings to disinfest clothing, mattresses, etc. Also, there is heavy blue staining on the walls both inside the delousing chambers, INSIDE the hallways between the delousing chambers, and OUTSIDE the building, on the EXTERIOR WALLS of the delousing facilities. However, the interiors of the Krema 1 gas chamber (Auschwitz Main Camp) and the Krema 2 and 3 gas chambers (Auschwitz-Birkenau), where hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are said to have been gassed, show only minute traces of Zyklon B and no blue staining. > > 1. It has been suggested that the amount of Zyklon B needed to kill people, even cumulative millions of people, would not leave traces as strong as the amount needed to kill lice in the delousing chambers…Can it not be expected that the levels of traces in the homicidal gas chambers, while perhaps not being as high as those in the delousing rooms, would AT LEAST be substantially higher than the traces in the buildings which were only fumigated infrequently?\*\* Yet the traces in Kremas 1, 2 and 3 are not markedly higher than the office and barracks traces. Does this not suggest that the traces which DO exist in Kremas 1, 2 and 3 come from the same fumigation routine that all the other buildings went through?\*\* > > 2. Once one has fashioned an explanation for the minute traces and no blue staining in Kremas 1, 2 and 3 at Auschwitz, how does one THEN explain the HIGH levels of Zyklon B traces and DEEP, FLOOR-TO-CEILING blue staining in three of the four Majdanek gas chambers? Far fewer people are said to have been killed at Majdanek than at Auschwitz. The four Majdanek gas chambers would never have had to handle the workload of Kremas 1,2 and 3. Yet whereas Kremas 1,2 and 3 have only minute traces and no blue staining, three of the four Majdanek gas chambers have heavy traces and deep blue staining. How could gassing a GREATER amount of people (at Auschwitz) leave minute traces and no blue staining, yet gassing a much SMALLER amount (at Majdanek) leave heavy traces and deep blue staining?.. > > (6) To sum up the Zyklon B issue, we can take an overview of the Nazi gas chambers and their respective states RE Zyklon B traces: > > –Krema 1 (Auschwitz Main Camp): Minute traces, no blue staining > > –Krema 2 (Auschwitz-Birkenau): Minute traces, no blue staining > > –Krema 3 (Auschwitz-Birkenau): Minute traces, no blue staining. > > –Majdanek gas chambers 1, 3 and 4: Heavy traces, heavy blue staining (on inside and outside walls). > > –Dachau gas chamber: No traces, no blue staining. > > –Mauthausen gas chamber: No traces, no blue staining. > > The revisionist explanation for the above is: > > –Kremas 1, 2 and 3 were not used as gas chambers; > > — the only Zyklon B they saw was from the routine camp fumigations.–Majdanek rooms 1, 3 and 4 were delousing rooms, like the ones at Auschwitz-Birkenau. > > –The Dachau gas chamber was a shower. > > –The Mauthausen gas chamber was a shower > > What theory can be offered which explains the wildly divergent states of the gas chambers re Zyklon B traces, while still supporting the concept of mass homicidal gassings at these camps? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/229 "2017-03-22T10:42:35Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > The confessions were extracted by torture, threats against family members, mock trials where death sentences were pronounced etc. They have no credibility. Then where are the mass recantations? Why aren’t the purported mass murderers standing up for themselves now? Sure some might be intimidated by for instance German laws against holocaust denial, but they could have their statements published elsewhere. Some might not want to draw attention to themselves, but purported Auschwitz-guards have been found out and put to trial now and again for decades, what would they lose by explaining how things “really” were? Or do you think this confession last year, and similar confessions over the last 70 years were also extracted by torture? > **[Former Auschwitz guard convicted in one of Germany's last Holocaust trials](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/17/former-auschwitz-guard-sentenced-to-five-years-in-prison/)** > > A 94-year-old former Auschwitz guard has been sentenced to five years in prison in what is likely to be one of Germany's last Holocaust trials. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/230 "2017-03-22T11:34:53Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > For those who find the chemistry tedious, I’d recommend some of the questions posed by David Cole following his visit to the camps in Poland: Typical bait-and-switch by [Cole](http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gc46-ORIGI.html). He focuses on Krema I, Krema II, and Krema III, ignoring Krema IV and Krema V. Krema I was a post-war reconstruction, (as he jubilantly declared in one of his videos), so evidence would be lacking, in any case. Krema II and Krema III, having been dynamited are extremely difficult to get at. He presents no evidence that he has actually gotten into the gas chambers and his claim about blue walls is directly contradicted by other witnesses such as the author of [this tape](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSEUIA6QQA&feature=related), (at 3:04). Rudolf’s claims (along with his admission that forensic analysis is inadequate to support his position) have already been addressed by [Green and McCarthy](http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/). Rudolf: > [@](#): > > Furthermore, I am convinced that chemistry is not the science which can prove or refute any allegations about the Holocaust “rigorously”. We have several circumstantial evidences which, especially together with all the other evidence, allow us to come to the conclusion that the homicidal mass gassings as stated by the eye witnesses can not have taken place. But on the chemical argument no **absolute** certainty can be built. So, starting with a claim that the science demonstrated that all the eyewitness accounts had to be false, he is now claiming that the science cannot actually do what he claimed for it and is relying on reconstructed “testimony” from people such as Faurisson who has manufactured nearly all his claims. (Amusingly, as the article indicates, Rudolf is not all that honest, to begin with, on several occasions using sock puppets as authorities to support his own position.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/231 "2017-03-22T12:10:00Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Not true. It’s ridden with outrageous claims that have subsequently been accepted to be false. And they always happen in the direction of spreading war propaganda. > > Look at **Buchenwald** Weak distracting bullshit, since there are orders of magnitude more reliable and corroborated reports and evidence than a few that might be suspect. > [@](#): > > As noted above, the veracity of those comments is dubious and it is contradicted by the inmate records and other orders to provide medical assistance to jewish prisoners. All of which is completely at odds with an extermination programme. Your criticism was laughable and shows a pathetic lack of knowledge of the German language. It wasn’t contradicted by anything – you just distract by pointing to some instances in which Jews might not have been immediately killed… that doesn’t affect all the other pieces of proof of a plan put in place, and executed, to kill Jews, based on the mountains of other evidence and Himmler’s own words. > [@](#): > > You need a citation for the claim that _according to the official story, from spring 1942 at Auschwitz all Jews unable to work were gassed upon arrival without previous registration._? Ok, try the [Holocaust Encyclopedia](https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007327), which relevantly provides: This does nothing to counter the mountains of evidence and Himmler’s own words. Nothing but more distraction. “Ignore the mountain of evidence over there – I have some crumbs here!” Not going to work except with people inclined to view Jews as evil or liars. > [@](#): > > The confessions were extracted by torture, threats against family members, mock trials where death sentences were pronounced etc. They have no credibility. Cite for each confession. Every single confession, by every single Nazi and other collaborator involved. > [@](#): > > What physical evidence are you referring to? The physical evidence is that the claims regarding gassing in Germany were false. The Holocaust amounted to much, much more than just “gassing in Germany”. Even if there is reasonable doubt for a few claims about the Holocaust, that does nothing for the mountain of other evidence of a massive program designed and run by the Nazis to kill Jews in Europe. Just more pathetic distraction from this mountain of evidence. > [@](#): > > The evidence regarding Auschwitz is that there were significant efforts to reduce the typhus epidemics and zyklon was used to disenfect clothing & bedding in small delousing facilities. There is certainly no physical evidence to support the claim that people were gassed there, quite the opposite. Even basic things like the fact the doors in Auschwitzwere made out of simple wood - such doors, especially when opening outwardly, could never resist a panicking crowd of several hundred people. They were also not gas tight. Cite for the doors (the original doors, mind you – not the mock ups from later). Whatever efforts about typhus and delousing might have existed do nothing to contradict the mountains of evidence, including Himmler’s own instructions about exterminating Jewish men, women, and children, for the Holocaust. Your efforts at distraction are just weak hand-waving. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/232 "2017-03-22T12:24:14Z")
The typhus stuff is false for many reasons, but the most visible and visceral is the extreme starvation showed by the stacked bodies in photographs that supposedly died from typhus. Typhus doesn’t cause such an appearance – only starvation does. There are numerous mass graves that have been identified and excavated, filled with bone ash, bone fragments, and chemical residue of body liquidation. In addition, there are many eyewitnesses and photographs that testify to the many dead bodies disposed of, most notably by the Sonderkommandos. Claims that Auschwitz facilities could not have included gas chambers is always based on the rebuilt mockups by the Soviets, not the original facilities. That a few witnesses might have lied or said suspect things about the Holocaust does nothing to invalidate the thousands upon thousands of witnesses with corroborated claims. Overall, the claims of the deniers remain as weak and pathetic as they have always been – ignoring the vast majority of evidence, and nitpicking or making false claims about the rest. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/233 "2017-03-22T12:33:56Z")
I’ll notice that **Chen019** is continuing to ignore particular pieces of evidence like [this report](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_Report) in which Commander SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger documented over 100,000 Jews and others murdered in Lithuania by Einsatzkommando III with date, location, and number of men, women and children killed, writing “I can state today that the goal of solving the Jewish problem in Lithuania has been reached by Einsatzkommando 3. There are no more Jews in Lithuania, apart from working Jews and their families.” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/234 "2017-03-22T14:21:34Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > As noted above, the veracity of those comments is dubious and it is contradicted by the inmate records and other orders to provide medical assistance to jewish prisoners. All of which is completely at odds with an extermination programme. Where are you getting this notion? Auschwitz was established as a work camp and even as extermination overtook and surpassed the work camp as it primary activity, there remained a need to support workers and to prevent contagious diseases from spreading into the guard population. > [@Chen019](#): > > You need a citation for the claim that _according to the official story, from spring 1942 at Auschwitz all Jews unable to work were gassed upon arrival without previous registration._? Ok, try the [Holocaust Encyclopedia](https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007327), which relevantly provides: > > > [@](#): > > > > From the first transports of Slovak Jews in spring 1942, the SS established a practice of selections, in which those arriving Jews who were unable to work were sent directly to two makeshift gas chambers. I note that your citation makes no reference to registrations, at all. Nothing in that citation precludes the act of takings the name, age, sex, and “crime” (being Jewish or Roma, Communist or mentally retarded, etc.) of people as they were gathered to be sent to the gas chambers. “Directly” means without being housed for some number of days. Anything beyond that is your conjecture. > [@Chen019](#): > > What physical evidence are you referring to? The physical evidence is that the claims regarding gassing in Germany were false. > > The evidence regarding Auschwitz is that there were significant efforts to reduce the typhus epidemics and zyklon was used to disenfect clothing & bedding in small delousing facilities. There is certainly no physical evidence to support the claim that people were gassed there, quite the opposite. Even basic things like the fact the doors in Auschwitzwere made out of simple wood - such doors, especially when opening outwardly, could never resist a panicking crowd of several hundred people. They were also not gas tight. [This claim is absurd, given that it has already been debunked, previously, in this very thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20077300&highlight=doors#post20077300) The actual extermination chambers were blown up by the Nazis as the Soviet Army approached. The “simple wood” doors were not on the extermination chambers, but on actual delousing rooms. The extermination chambers were under ground with much heavier doors. This is unremarkable bait-and-switch nonsense. Further, we have testimony, (in the video previously linked), that the walls of the underground gas chambers showed the blue of prussic acid–in contradiction to the claims of Rudolf. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/235 "2017-03-22T14:30:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Overall, the claims of the deniers remain as weak and pathetic as they have always been – ignoring the vast majority of evidence, and nitpicking or making false claims about the rest. QFT ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/236 "2017-03-22T14:59:18Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > The evidence regarding Auschwitz is that there were significant efforts to reduce the typhus epidemics and zyklon was used to disenfect clothing & bedding in small delousing facilities. Who cares? Dead is dead. Maybe your right. Maybe no gas chambers. But it doesnt matter because the people still died. There would not have been a typhus epidemic or a need for delousing in the first place if they hadnt been bringing people in. Why the hell did the Germans go thru all the trouble, wasting precious resources, of taking Anne Frank’s family all the way from Holland to Poland? The reason was they were Jews and the Nazi’s wanted them all dead. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/237 "2017-03-22T15:13:42Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > The evidence regarding Auschwitz is that there were significant efforts to reduce the typhus epidemics and zyklon was used to disenfect clothing & bedding in small delousing facilities. Sure, and the evidence regarding Auschwitz is that there were significant parallel efforts to reduce the prisoner population using zyklon as well. It’s a versatile poison. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/238 "2017-03-22T15:19:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Overall, the claims of the deniers remain as weak and pathetic as they have always been – ignoring the vast majority of evidence, and nitpicking or making false claims about the rest. Using the standards of evidence Chen019 uses, I can “prove” the Vietnam War never happened. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/239 "2017-03-22T15:52:19Z")
Heck, using his standards of proof along with his logic and methods of collecting facts, we can prove that WWII never happened. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/240 "2017-03-22T16:10:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Well, this thread has certainly put the scientific racism ones in a whole new perspective for me… The evangelical racialist is also a holocaust denier; how can this be a surprise to you? Just swap a science-based race conspiracy/fixation with a history-based race conspiracy/fixation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963.md?page=13)