# I don't understand holocaust denial **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 11, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963 "2017-03-11T23:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/421 "2017-06-25T11:47:49Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I think human bio-diversity is pretty interesting. It doesn’t support white supremacy though. See a [recent post](http://infoproc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/06/complex-trait-adaptation-and-branching.html)by Steve Hsu discussing a paper on alleles linked to education. > > In any case, my point is that ad-hominem attacks seem the first reaction to those who question this historical taboo. I mean in general. It’s basically like trying to debate religion. When one ignores the evidence, or makes ridiculous claims about it (as you did about Himmler’s recorded words, among other things), it’s rather hard to believe that one’s motives are legitimate. As for “human bio-diversity”, that’s just another code word, like “racialism”, for the idea that black people are morally and/or inherently intellectually inferior to white people (occasional appeals about the supposed high intelligence of Asians as well as white people are sometimes thrown in, but these ideas are mainly focused on the inferiority of black people), and it’s pretty much the only other topic that you take part in on this board. When your contributions are pretty much all either denying the Holocaust or insisting that black people are inherently intellectually inferior to white people (and sometimes Asians too), it’s quite reasonable to believe that those beliefs are linked. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/422 "2017-06-25T11:56:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > When one ignores the evidence, or makes ridiculous claims about it (as you did about Himmler’s recorded words, among other things), it’s rather hard to believe that one’s motives are legitimate. > > As for “human bio-diversity”, that’s just another code word, like “racialism”, for the idea that black people are morally and/or inherently intellectually inferior to white people (occasional appeals about the supposed high intelligence of Asians as well as white people are sometimes thrown in, but these ideas are mainly focused on the inferiority of black people), and it’s pretty much the only other topic that you take part in on this board. When your contributions are pretty much all either denying the Holocaust or insisting that black people are inherently intellectually inferior to white people (and sometimes Asians too), it’s quite reasonable to believe that those beliefs are linked. I based my translation of Himmler’s words on the analysis of [Robert Wolfe](http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189068). Are you going to suggest his motives are “illegitimate”?! I’ve pointed this out to you a couple of times. As for HBD, if you want to debate it - set up a thread and let’s debate it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/423 "2017-06-25T11:56:40Z")
It is not an ad-hominum fallacy if the personal information is related to the argument. "Of course he denies the Holocaust, he watches Netflix " is a fallacy. “Of course he denies the Holocaust, he is a racist” is an example of an observation and is not intended as a rebuttal. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/424 "2017-06-25T12:14:20Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > It is not an ad-hominum fallacy if the personal information is related to the argument. > > "Of course he denies the Holocaust, he watches Netflix " is a fallacy. > > “Of course he denies the Holocaust, he is a racist” is an example of an observation and is not intended as a rebuttal. I take your point although it seems difficult to see how it applies to the likes of Paul Rassinier. To me it makes as much sense as claiming a belief in the Holocaust shows you are racist towards Germans. Ultimately, it’s a debate about interpreting historical events based on incomplete & contradictory evidence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/425 "2017-06-25T12:23:40Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I based my translation of Himmler’s words on the analysis of [Robert Wolfe](http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189068). Are you going to suggest his motives are “illegitimate”?! I’ve pointed this out to you a couple of times. > > As for HBD, if you want to debate it - set up a thread and let’s debate it. Where you got the nonsense about the German words Himmler used is irrelevant. It was a pathetic, piss poor translation (obvious to any native German speaker), and that you put any confidence in it whatsoever (alongside your many other errors) demonstrates either piss poor analysis skills or questionable motives. We refuted your ridiculous claims about Himmler’s words, and you ignored it, apparently still holding onto your claims. What you said about those words was simply false, and you still haven’t addressed your obvious error here. Why haven’t you? Or do you accept that Himmler really was reinforcing the need to his men to exterminate Jewish men, women, and children? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/426 "2017-06-25T12:32:21Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I take your point although it seems difficult to see how it applies to the likes of Paul Rassinier. To me it makes as much sense as claiming a belief in the Holocaust shows you are racist towards Germans. > > Ultimately, it’s a debate about interpreting historical events based on incomplete & contradictory evidence. No. Ultimately, it’s the continued effort on your part to promote revisionist and denialist views of one of the most well recorded crimes against humanity in recent human hisotry. The only question that remains is as to your motives: In service of what? ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/427 "2017-06-25T14:02:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Ultimately, it’s a debate about interpreting historical events based on incomplete & contradictory evidence. no, it isn’t, you just like to think so. so you use debunked “points” over and over. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/428 "2017-06-25T22:30:26Z")
You can be wrong and you can be racist but the fallacy comes in if someone tries to say your facts are wrong because you are racist. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/429 "2017-06-25T23:13:39Z")
**Chen019** apologies if I missed this, but have you ever met or talked with someone who was interred in one of the concentration camps? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963/430 "2017-06-25T23:18:23Z")
meh This is degenerating (if this was possible) into a “uh uh/nuh huh” one man show with no genuine facts or logic involved. I am closing it. The topic is not forbidden, but any future threads should include facts, not previously refuted IfHR lies, and actual logic, not casuistry. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-holocaust-denial/781963.md?page=21)