# I don't understand the Alec Baldwin scam **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 9, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530 "2019-10-09T13:45:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sigene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sigene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigene)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/1 "2019-10-09T13:45:22Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/alec-baldwin-falls-for-classic-new-york-city-scam/ar-AAIu0B9](https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/alec-baldwin-falls-for-classic-new-york-city-scam/ar-AAIu0B9) please explain, why taking a shuttle to New Jersey indicates that this is a scam. the articles I’ve read seem to assume that everyone is as familiar with New York and the situation as a New Yorker might be. I’d appreciate more details of the event. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/2 "2019-10-09T14:09:48Z")
The Statue of Liberty is on Liberty Island. Baldwin bought tickets to Liberty Park. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/3 "2019-10-09T14:33:11Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > The Statue of Liberty is on Liberty Island. Baldwin bought tickets to Liberty Park. I’ve read a couple of news articles that really didn’t explain this at all. They mention this: > [@](#): > > The tour will take passengers past the statue – but first you’ve got to go to Liberty City, New Jersey. > > The actor took to Instagram to explain that he bought tickets for a “boat tour” around the Statue of Liberty, but no one ever told him he’d have to leave New York first. The word “first” implies that New Jersey is a previously unannounced (and unacceptable) waypoint on the way to the desired destination, and the article even explicitly says the tour will take passengers “past” the statue. The word “past” is certainly ambigious, but it’s never made clear (in the article, or by Alec Baldwin) that these tickets were never going to get them anywhere near the statue. Baldwin’s main point of rage in his tweet is New Jersey: > [@Alec Baldwin](#): > > We buy tickets for the "boat tour of the Statue of Liberty. > We are escorted to a shuttle bus. > To New Jersey! > I kid you not. > We paid. Then we read the tickets. > NO ON EVER MENTIONED NEW F\*\*\*ING JERSEY!!! > This is a scam. 😕 If the scam is as you describe (and I don’t doubt it is), then basically we’re dealing with some shitty writing by Alec Baldwin and the journalist(s) who covered the incident. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/4 "2019-10-09T14:39:27Z")
> [@Sigene](#): > > [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/alec-baldwin-falls-for-classic-new-york-city-scam/ar-AAIu0B9) > > please explain, why taking a shuttle to New Jersey indicates that this is a scam. > > the articles I’ve read seem to assume that everyone is as familiar with New York and the situation as a New Yorker might be. > > I’d appreciate more details of the event. From his account, Baldwin bought tickets from South Ferry, which is at the south end of Manhattan. This is where the ferries that go to Liberty Island itself depart from. Given the point of sale, one might assume that the boat tour would depart from there. However, the tour actually departed from Liberty Park, New Jersey, on the other side of the harbor, and required taking a shuttle bus to there via (probably) the Holland Tunnel. I don’t know how long this would take, but I would assume maybe a half hour at least depending on traffic. So this would be rather inconvenient. I’m not sure I would call this a scam, exactly, since the tickets indicate “Liberty Park, New Jersey,” and mention a free shuttle bus (which would be unnecessary if the tour left from South Ferry), unless the seller verbally misrepresented them. Baldwin was guilty of not finding out exactly what he was purchasing, not reading the tickets, and being generally inattentive. (Never a good idea in New York.;)) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/5 "2019-10-09T14:46:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m not sure I would call this a scam, exactly, since the tickets indicate “Liberty Park, New Jersey,” and mention a free shuttle bus (which would be unnecessary if the tour left from South Ferry), unless the seller verbally misrepresented them. Baldwin was guilty of not finding out exactly what he was purchasing, not reading the tickets, and being generally inattentive. (Never a good idea in New York.;)) I’d call it a scam _on tourists_ in the sense that no one in their right mind would ever do that tour, if they were given full information on what it includes & doesn’t include, and what other tours are no doubt available from South Ferry. But yes, shame on NY resident Baldwin for not knowing what he was buying. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/6 "2019-10-09T14:57:25Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’d call it a scam _on tourists_ in the sense that no one in their right mind would ever do that tour, if they were given full information on what it includes & doesn’t include, and what other tours are no doubt available from South Ferry. But yes, shame on NY resident Baldwin for not knowing what he was buying. I agree that they have to be targeting people who are ignorant of the better options. I note that the operator Tours R Us NYC has an [84% “Terrible” rating on TripAdvisor](https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g60763-d12379030-Reviews-Tours_R_Us_NYC-New_York_City_New_York.html).😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/7 "2019-10-09T15:58:32Z")
> [@Sigene](#): > > please explain, why taking a shuttle to New Jersey indicates that this is a scam. Because you end up in New Jersey. No one wants that. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/8 "2019-10-09T16:01:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Because you end up in New Jersey. No one wants that. And I presume you don’t get a free shuttle bus back to the point where you bought the tickets, either. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/9 "2019-10-09T16:20:31Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > And I presume you don’t get a free shuttle bus back to the point where you bought the tickets, either. Checking the TripAdvisor reviews, apparently the ride back is nominally included in the price. However, everyone complains about long waits for the buses and boats, and in some cases the return bus never came or was so late they decided to take another ferry or Uber back to Manhattan. It is clear from the reviews that the agents selling the tickets are blatantly misrepresenting the tours as an “Express” one hour tour, which may seem attractive when you see the lines for the legitimate tours, but fail to deliver this. There aren’t enough buses or boats (even if this was a reasonable way to do a tour) so it takes many hours in total. Even if Baldwin was a bit of a bozo in falling for this, if it helps publicize how bad the company is it may help. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/10 "2019-10-09T18:21:50Z")
[This map](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/16/ae/8c16ae1cdb9e60ee649745f7b4b2ea1d.jpg) will make the geographical relationships clearer. Obviously if you are already at Battery Park (South Ferry) then it would be better to take a Statue of Liberty Tour from there rather than haul all the way out to Liberty Park in New Jersey. This is especially true since you would have to take a roundabout route via the [Holland Tunnel](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Holland+Tunnel,+United+States/@40.7101562,-74.0376493,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c259fb92b105c3:0xd435b33aaf6ae1bb!8m2!3d40.7275899!4d-74.0225431) fighting traffic. And the free [Staten Island Ferry](https://www.transportation.gov/tifia/financed-projects/staten-island-ferries-and-terminals) goes right by the Statue of Liberty anyway. So if all you want to do is see the Statue relatively close, and don’t want to visit the island, this is the best option. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/11 "2019-10-09T19:54:18Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Because you end up in New Jersey. No one wants that. 8.9 million Jersey residents can’t be wrong! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/12 "2019-10-09T19:54:20Z")
The article mentions “Liberty City” which doesn’t exist except in Grand Theft Auto. I’m assuming they mean Jersey City. And I’ve only ever heard it called Liberty State Park never just Liberty Park. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’d call it a scam _on tourists_ in the sense that no one in their right mind would ever do that tour, if they were given full information on what it includes & doesn’t include, and what other tours are no doubt available from South Ferry. But yes, shame on NY resident Baldwin for not knowing what he was buying. Right, it’s not a scam in the sense that they are stealing your money. It’s a scam because they are offering a shitty product and are counting on the ignorance of tourists. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/13 "2019-10-09T20:13:14Z")
Taking the ferry or tour from Liberty State Park would be a sensible option if you are coming from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, or anywhere else west of the Hudson. So the tour itself isn’t ridiculous. However, it is ridiculous if you are already in Manhattan. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/14 "2019-10-09T22:10:28Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Taking the ferry or tour from Liberty State Park would be a sensible option if you are coming from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, or anywhere else west of the Hudson. So the tour itself isn’t ridiculous. However, it is ridiculous if you are already in Manhattan. It’s not ridiculous if all you want is to near near the statue and not go on the island. $40 is a lot for just that. The Circle Line goes close to the statue and also goes all the way around Manhattan for $44. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/15 "2019-10-10T05:03:36Z")
I’m amazed that someone like Alec Baldwin, who has lived in Manhattan for decades, would be taken in by something like this, which everybody else learns to avoid after 30 seconds. I guess he doesn’t spend much time below Union Square. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/16 "2019-10-10T19:14:55Z")
The spiel last December as we walked from the metro station to the ferry terminal was, and I’m paraphrasing, “Hey, did you already buy your tickets?” Then he went on to exaggerate the waiting time of the line through security, how crowded the island would be, and offered instead a ride on a ferry that would go _near_ the island, but not actually dock on it. He was upfront about that. There was no mention of having to cross into New Jersey; that would have pissed me off. Additionally, the barker wasn’t selling the tickets himself; we was trying to direct us to a kiosk somewhere nearby. We did the real one, because we also wanted to go to Ellis Island. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/17 "2019-10-10T20:39:17Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > 8.9 million Jersey residents can’t be wrong! Nope, kind of like _The Terminal_ they’re stuck there & can’t get out. Unlike amusement parks, ball games, concerts, movies, & other fun & entertaining things where one pays to get in, NJ lets you in for free & then holds you captive, making you pay to leave. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/18 "2019-10-11T17:53:07Z")
I’m pretty sure someone who glanced at the tickets and saw “See NY from the water” in prominent lettering should’ve realized they wouldn’t actually be docking and getting off on Liberty Island. It’s not a “scam” - it’s just not a good deal and Baldwin wasn’t paying attention. “Savvy” indeed. :dubious: \*wonder if he got into any three-card monte games while on the S.I. Ferry. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/19 "2019-10-11T18:20:21Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I’m pretty sure someone who glanced at the tickets and saw “See NY from the water” in prominent lettering should’ve realized they wouldn’t actually be docking and getting off on Liberty Island. Baldwin’s tweet indicates he knew he bought a ticket for a “boat tour” of the Statue of Liberty. Nothing in the story suggests he thought he was going to land on the island. > [@Alec Baldwin](#): > > We buy the tickets for the ‘boat tour’ of the Statue of Liberty. The things on the ticket that should have cued him in that something wasn’t right were “Liberty Park, NJ” and “Free Shuttle Included.” But those may not have registered because as has been said it makes no sense to do it that way. Of course, native New Yorkers almost never visit the tourist attractions in the city. I visited to the Statue of Liberty once maybe 50 years ago and haven’t been back since. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530/20 "2019-10-11T21:28:30Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Baldwin’s tweet indicates he knew he bought a ticket for a “boat tour” of the Statue of Liberty. Nothing in the story suggests he thought he was going to land on the island. I wasn’t referring to Baldwin, but rather to this part of the story: > [@](#): > > Visitors to the area downtown are often targeted by shady operators selling tours that don’t go to Liberty Island. A spokeswoman for New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio told the Daily News the city “continues to fine sellers who scam customers.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-alec-baldwin-scam/841530.md?page=2)