# I don't understand the "white nationalist" position. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 7, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715 "2011-01-07T04:40:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/21 "2011-01-07T17:17:55Z")
I meant to put “other than the NAACP”. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/22 "2011-01-07T17:36:00Z")
Just curiosity, **Argent Towers** , but why is a nice guy like you hanging around on this board for “people of Germanic Heritage?” It sounds dreadful. If you’re just taking a hit for the team, like those guys who let us know whenever Jack Chick writes a new tract - thanks. Also, I think you’re correct. It sounds like they’re trying to fly under the radar as ‘not-nazis, just pro-germans’, as a means of selling the same old crap. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/23 "2011-01-07T17:44:11Z")
**AT** and I share an academic fascination with white supremacist/racialist/nationalist groups. We should probably get therapy. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/24 "2011-01-07T17:57:30Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Also, I think you’re correct. It sounds like they’re trying to fly under the radar as ‘not-nazis, just pro-germans’, as a means of selling the same old crap. Much like WNs nowadays are always calling themselves “white nationalists” or “white separatists,” never “white supremacists.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/25 "2011-01-07T18:01:20Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > It’s true, at least to the extent that Jews encourage race mixing. WNs would say that proves their dishonesty: They advocate race-mixing for everybody **but Jews.** Hitler said, “Racial purity is a thing the Jew preserves better than anyone else on Earth.” An argument that has much less force, now, when Jew-gentile marriages are so common. For that matter it was bullshit even when Hitler said it – in their long history, Jews often had to endure gentile overlords forcing themselves on their women, that’s why rabbis made it a rule that anyone with a Jewish **mother** is Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/26 "2011-01-07T18:06:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **AT** and I share an academic fascination with white supremacist/racialist/nationalist groups. We should probably get therapy. So do I. It **is** a very interesting phenomenon. Tragically heroic, too, in a way, to see them swimming so stubbornly against the current of modern history, and dreaming of a future that anyone can see is flatly impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/27 "2011-01-07T19:25:30Z")
It may be the case that they wouldn’t mind a weak isolationist Jewish state that had no significant military presence or influence outside its borders, but object to a strong strident Jewish state that affects US foreign policy. Alternatively they don’t want to exterminate them, they just want to put them in concentration camps to isolate their influence. Just to be clear, this is all speculation. I have no real knowledge of white nationalist beliefs and don’t advocate any of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/28 "2011-01-07T19:54:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > WNs would say that proves their dishonesty: They advocate race-mixing for everybody **but Jews.** Hitler said, “Racial purity is a thing the Jew preserves better than anyone else on Earth.” > > An argument that has much less force, now, when Jew-gentile marriages are so common. For that matter it was bullshit even when Hitler said it – in their long history, Jews often had to endure gentile overlords forcing themselves on their women, that’s why rabbis made it a rule that anyone with a Jewish **mother** is Jewish. Really? Where did you get that from? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/29 "2011-01-07T19:57:52Z")
[See here.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism) It’s not a big secret. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/30 "2011-01-07T20:05:37Z")
Jew hating is so…last millenium. Can’t we move onto something new…like Arabs or the Irish? ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/31 "2011-01-07T20:10:20Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > [See here.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism) It’s not a big secret. :rolleyes: was talking about the reason **BrainGlutton** described as being what made matrilineality (what a word) the rule in Judaism. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/32 "2011-01-07T21:27:28Z")
Well, rabbis wrote the Tanakh. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/33 "2011-01-07T21:32:16Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, rabbis wrote the Tanakh. The article you linked to doesn’t say anything about the reason for matrilineal descent, so I’m not sure why that’s relevant. Also, rabbis didn’t write the Tanakh. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/34 "2011-01-07T21:38:57Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > :rolleyes: was talking about the reason **BrainGlutton** described as being what made matrilineality (what a word) the rule in Judaism. Not sure . . . think I either heard it from a Jewish friend (or from my late mother, who was dating him at the time), or read it in Michener’s _The Source._ Whether there is any connection or not, I have not the slightest doubt most Jews **do** have gentile blood for exactly the reasons I described – same reason so many African-Americans look like milk chocolate. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/35 "2011-01-07T21:40:13Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > The article you linked to doesn’t say anything about the reason for matrilineal descent, so I’m not sure why that’s relevant. Also, rabbis didn’t write the Tanakh. Who did? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/36 "2011-01-07T21:42:12Z")
> [@BlinkingDuck](#): > > Jew hating is so…last millenium. > > Can’t we move onto something new…like Arabs or the Irish? [Pakistanis.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=591696) Crazy bastards . . . ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/37 "2011-01-07T21:50:51Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Who did? Ask Richard Elliot Friedman. There was no such thing as a rabbi until about 2000 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/38 "2011-01-07T21:51:31Z")
It’s against board policy to mention another website you go to? It’s not like you’re advocating it ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/39 "2011-01-07T22:40:55Z")
I don’t want someone searching for that forum to find this thread. I’ll post the address of the forum backwards: ten.idaks ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/40 "2011-01-07T23:00:18Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I also don’t get it. I know why black people are often interested in tracing their roots back to specific places in Africa, simply because that question is a big unknown to many us, but why would white people be on such a hunt? I guess I’m making the incorrect assumption that most white people know their ancestry at least back to their great-great grand parents? I wouldn’t think that you’d see much phenotypic contribution from anyone beyond that generation. > Especially in the shape of your face and head. snip. You’d be surprised how many people have big blank spots in their family trees. Then there are people like myself who are adopted, and only have rather shallow records to draw from. In my case for example, my birth father’s side is listed as “mostly Prussian extraction”. My Birth mother’s as “English and other western European”. It turns out after doing the DNA thing that I also have significant amounts of Native American and Central Asian in me. From my father and mother’s sides respectively. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715.md?page=3)