# I don't understand the "white nationalist" position. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 7, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715 "2011-01-07T04:40:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/61 "2011-01-09T19:58:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yes, so am I. Should have previewed that post. It’s true that anti-Jewish sentiment is almost ubiquitous, regardless of how each group feels about the Nazis. [Jared Taylor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor) (married to a Jewess) is the only major white Nat I can think of who welcomes alliances with Jews. Talk about [strange bedfellows](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TaylorandJackson.jpg). The white nationalist who loves Jews, and the black Democrat who despises them. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/62 "2011-01-11T05:10:08Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Thing is, they’re not quite just a bunch of harmless cranks and it is worthwhile to keep half an eye on them at all times. Because without such vigilance, their way of thinking has a way of sometimes . . . quietly and subtly leaking over into the mainstream. > > “Gobernar es poblar” translates as “to govern is to populate.” In this society, will the present majority peaceably hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile? Can homo contraceptivus compete with homo progenitiva if borders aren’t controlled? > … Can anyone deny that Tanton was right on that point?! Isn’t that one reason Israel is building a wall with Egypt - to protect the ethnic majority? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/63 "2011-01-11T15:04:36Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Can anyone deny that Tanton was right on that point?! Isn’t that one reason Israel is building a wall with Egypt - to protect the ethnic majority? “Right” on what “point”? All he does in that passage is pose rhetorical questions. For the rest, we’ve been over this before. There is no equivalency between the Minutemen and, say, the Dalai Lama wanting to limit Han immigration to Tibet. And Israel is always _sui generis_ in this kind of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![rulesareweights](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9bcb4/32.png) [@rulesareweights](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rulesareweights)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/64 "2011-01-12T09:54:14Z")
Your #1 competitors in the american labor force are not fence jumpers, they are people who work in prison labor camps right here in the U.S please research this. If you see “made in the u.sa” check to see if it was made in the big business prison labor camps. They make pennies on the dollar. We have more people in prison than any other country in history for this reason. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/65 "2011-01-12T14:32:00Z")
Erm… thanks for your contribution? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/66 "2011-01-12T15:33:17Z")
> [@rulesareweights](#): > > Your #1 competitors in the american labor force are not fence jumpers, they are people who work in prison labor camps right here in the U.S please research this. If you see “made in the u.sa” check to see if it was made in the big business prison labor camps. They make pennies on the dollar. We have more people in prison than any other country in history for this reason. [The DLC,](http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=108&subid=900003&contentid=255055) which is definitely biz-friendly, says of 2.3 million Americans in jail, 100,000 work in prison industries and their output is $2.4 billion annually. Haven’t seen any stats measuring the effect on that on the job market. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/67 "2011-01-12T23:31:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Right” on what “point”? All he does in that passage is pose rhetorical questions. For the rest, we’ve been over this before. There is no equivalency between the Minutemen and, say, the Dalai Lama wanting to limit Han immigration to Tibet. And Israel is always _sui generis_ in this kind of discussion. On the point about more fertile groups ultimately gaining power through sheer numbers. I don’t see how there is no equivalency, they’re trying to preserve their perceived ethnic interests aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/68 "2011-01-13T15:07:07Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > On the point about more fertile groups ultimately gaining power through sheer numbers. How are you defining “groups” here? If in ethnic/racial terms, no such “group” is inherently more “fertile” than any other. And no “group” “gains power” by getting into the melting pot. > [@Chen019](#): > > I don’t see how there is no equivalency . . . I find that very hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/69 "2011-01-13T18:31:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Whether there is any connection or not, I have not the slightest doubt most Jews **do** have gentile blood for exactly the reasons I described – same reason so many African-Americans look like milk chocolate. And lest we forget: Racial penetration, or whatever you call it, worked the other way too. Throughout European history, Jews were under immense social pressure at all times to convert to Christianity, and in every generation some yielded to the pressure, and their grandchildren forgot they had ever been Jewish and married into the gentile population. None of us who think of ourselves as white gentiles can be sure of having no Jewish ancestors. Applies in the Islamic world, too. Pressure on Jews to convert to the majority’s religion was significantly less there, but it was always present. In the first couple of centuries of Islam, infidels under Islamic rule had to pay a head-tax from which Muslims were exempt, and many yielded to **that** pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/70 "2011-01-14T03:48:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > How are you defining “groups” here? > > If in ethnic/racial terms, no such “group” is inherently more “fertile” than any other. > > And no “group” “gains power” by getting into the melting pot. I don’t know if groups are inherently more fertile than others, but cultural differences are sufficient. That seems to be the concern that Mark Steyn identifies with muslim women having considerably higher birth rates than non-muslims in europe. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/71 "2011-01-14T04:55:19Z")
Whoa, someone should send that site to Something Awful, for their “Weekend Web” feature. ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/72 "2011-01-22T01:20:03Z")
It’s staggering to consider the amount of mixing that has happened in Europe over the centuries, even discounting the mixing that happened in the US and other countries settled by white people. I can even claim ancestry from two European peoples that are historical enemies. The mixing of the Germanic and Celtic peoples is clearly indicated in history. The Vikings were renouned for red hair, and spread this to Ireland, where it survives in great abundance today. Vikings ruled portions of Britain and made immense contributions, probably resulting in your average white English person not much further in ancestry from Eric the Red as your average person from Oslo. ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715/73 "2011-01-22T01:27:05Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Lol, France was founded by Germanics. Are they aware of that? > The insane identity tags with mentions of each poster as Kelto-Mongolian or even subrace profiles is incredible. > One other thing that I noticed was that apparently if you cant claim Germanic ancestry you cant post on the forum (and it is funny to see how all French are denied any Germanic ancestors, and thus cannot post, by some Americans from Texas). > Also a sizable part of the posters seem to have a drug/prison history (it really comes up frequently). The historical record seems to indicate that the French are a mixture of the Celtic Gauls (that Julius Caesar came, saw, and conquered), any Romans that stuck around, and the Germanic Franks who came and took over the place, but chose to abandon their Germanic language for the local dialect. Your average white person with primary ancestry from Britain probably has Germanic (Anglo-Saxon or Viking/Norse) and Celtic (Welsh, Gaelic, or one of the other related Celtic peoples) ancestry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-white-nationalist-position/566715.md?page=3)