# I don't understand what Jenn Sterger is up to (regarding Farve) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 24, 2010, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177 "2010-10-24T10:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/181 "2010-10-27T14:45:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Changing people’s quotes is against board rules. Go ahead and report it. I’m begging you. Then we can get official moderator corroboration that you just torpedoed your own semantic stupidity. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Not only that, but that an unsourced internet tabloid report is airtight proof of guilt. Who said that? All that has been said is that an unsourced tabloid report alleging something IS AN ALLEGATION. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/182 "2010-10-27T14:51:19Z")
nm. I think I misunderstood the target of the jab. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/183 "2010-10-27T14:53:04Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Go ahead and report it. I’m begging you. Then we can get official moderator corroboration that you just torpedoed your own semantic stupidity. Already reported. I jhave no idea what you’re talking about with the second part of that sentence, or why you think a mod is going to “corroborate” your misperceptions. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/184 "2010-10-27T14:59:13Z")
The mod is going to see that the substance of your quote was not changed in any meaningful way, so it is not against the rules. Which will be corroboration that your bizarre pedantic nitpickery about the word “allegation” is bullshit. (Unless you’re talking about the “[…]”, but nobody is stupid enough to think that snipping quotes – especially when clearly marked – is against any rule.) ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/185 "2010-10-27T15:00:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Not only that, but that an unsourced internet tabloid report is airtight proof of guilt. Well, the source is supposedly originally Miss Sterger. This is the woman who, according to Deadspin, found the whole thing amusing yet wanted to keep the matter private amongst her circle of friends. Somewhere along the line she decided to let a trusted acquaintance in on the joke - a guy whose job it is to report on stories such as the one she handed him. Do I have all that correct? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/186 "2010-10-27T15:01:30Z")
It wasn’t only the ellipse, but the truncation of the first part of that sentence that changed the meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/187 "2010-10-27T15:04:08Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > Well, the source is supposedly originally Miss Sterger. > > This is the woman who, according to Deadspin, found the whole thing amusing yet wanted to keep the matter private amongst her circle of friends. Somewhere along the line she decided to let a trusted acquaintance in on the joke - a guy whose job it is to report on stories such as the one she handed him. > > Do I have all that correct? According to Deadspin, but they also say that she did not to give them the texts or cooperate with the story, and they got the texts from a third party. In any case, we have no direct, primary statement from an accuser. Only second and third hand hearsay, and an admission from Deadspin that the pics might not be Favre. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/188 "2010-10-27T15:05:37Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It wasn’t only the ellipse, but the truncation of the first part of that sentence that changed the meaning. No, see, that’s the point. It does NOT change the meaning. You admit that there is an allegation, but that it’s a different kind of allegation that somehow doesn’t qualify as an allegation. Which is fucking retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/189 "2010-10-27T15:09:09Z")
That is simply false. I did not say there was an allegation. There is an allegation of an allegation. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/190 "2010-10-27T15:13:17Z")
Whoa. Meta-allegations. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/191 "2010-10-27T15:16:53Z")
You used to understand what the word allegation means. For example, could you explain exact what allegation you’re referring to in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12191876&postcount=102), and how some guy posting on the internet is able to make an allegation and deadspin is not? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/192 "2010-10-27T15:20:42Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > You used to understand what the word allegation means. For example, could you explain exact what allegation you’re referring to in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12191876&postcount=102), and how some guy posting on the internet is able to make an allegation and deadspin is not? In that post another poster was making a direct allegation. In this case, no one has made a direct allegation. We only have a hearsay tabloid report that someone has. We don’t actually know that Sterger has said any of the things that deadspin alleges she said. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/193 "2010-10-27T15:21:54Z")
What’s the word “direct” mean in the phrase “direct allegation”? Why did you include it? Was it meant to distinguish from some other kind of allegation? If so, what kind is that? ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/194 "2010-10-27T15:24:05Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > You used to understand what the word allegation means. For example, could you explain exact what allegation you’re referring to in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12191876&postcount=102), and how some guy posting on the internet is able to make an allegation and deadspin is not? Well played, sir! ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/195 "2010-10-27T15:26:25Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > What’s the word “direct” mean in the phrase “direct allegation”? Why did you include it? Was it meant to distinguish from some other kind of allegation? If so, what kind is that? An indirect allegation would be where I allege someone else alleges something (because I heard it from their f\*cking mouth). It’s still an allegation. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/196 "2010-10-27T15:30:08Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > What’s the word “direct” mean in the phrase “direct allegation”? Why did you include it? Was it meant to distinguish from some other kind of allegation? If so, what kind is that? An alleged allegation. It’s the difference between a primary claim and a secondary claim. If I say that someone told me you are a huge Jonas Brothers fan, that does not mean that someone has actually told me you are a huge Jonas brothers fan. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/197 "2010-10-27T15:31:46Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > An indirect allegation would be where I allege someone else alleges something (because I heard it from their f\*cking mouth). > > It’s still an allegation. It’s an allegation of an allegation. The reality of the second part rests on the credibility of the first part. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/198 "2010-10-27T15:33:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > An alleged allegation. An alleged what? > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s an allegation of an allegation. A what of an allegation? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/199 "2010-10-27T15:40:10Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > Well played, sir! No, that post was off-point. Someone else in that thread made an accusation. There was no question that the person in that thread made the allegation. We don’t know that Jenn Sterger has made any allegation. We only have Deadspin’s allegation that she did, and Deadspin has not made any allegations independent of what it says that Sterger said. It is possible that Sterger never said any of that. Unless and until she confirms that she said any of that, then we have no allegation. If I say that you told me Barack Obama is secretly a were-panther, that does not mean that anyone has actually alleged that Obama is a were-panther. I could be making it up. Watch this Someone told me that Aaron Rodgers likes to blow raccoons. I’m not saying I know one way or the other, I’m just saying someone told me that. Does that mean that there is now an allegation that Aaron Rodgers likes to blow raccoons? ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/200 "2010-10-27T15:40:56Z")
No matter which way you slice it, Deadspin is alleging Favre sent c\*ck pics to Jenn Sterger. Allegations aren’t necessarily backed by facts. They can be backed by other allegations, facts, or nothing at all. None of this means there’s a quantifiable intersection between Deadspin’s c\*ck pic allegations and The Truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177.md?page=11)