# I don't understand what Jenn Sterger is up to (regarding Farve) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 24, 2010, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177 "2010-10-24T10:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/201 "2010-10-27T15:43:11Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > No matter which way you slice it, Deadspin is alleging Favre sent c\*ck pics to Jenn Sterger. Actually, Deadspin is saying it isn’t positive about that. They have said they don’t know if the pics are real, or if Favre really sent them. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/202 "2010-10-27T15:44:48Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Watch this > > Someone told me that Aaron Rodgers likes to blow raccoons. I’m not saying I know one way or the other, I’m just saying someone told me that. > > Does that mean that there is now an allegation that Aaron Rodgers likes to blow raccoons? Yep. The public is likely to discount your allegation on the likelihood that you purposefully invented it to use as a fictional example. Your impartiality is also in question. So…I doubt anyone’s going to pick this story up, or that you’ll hear from Rodgers’ attorneys. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/203 "2010-10-27T15:47:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Actually, Deadspin is saying it isn’t positive about that. They have said they don’t know if the pics are real, or if Favre really sent them. I’ll concede that. Deadspin is alleging Favre probably sent c\*ck pics to Jenn Sterger. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/204 "2010-10-27T15:56:31Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > Yep. The public is likely to discount your allegation on the likelihood that you purposefully invented it to use as a fictional example. Your impartiality is also in question. > > So…I doubt anyone’s going to pick this story up, or that you’ll hear from Rodgers’ attorneys. But I didn’t make any allegation. I was just saying that’s what I heard. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/205 "2010-10-27T16:05:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > But I didn’t make any allegation. I was just saying that’s what I heard. You’re _alleging_ that’s what you heard. > **[Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:%2Ballege)** ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/206 "2010-10-27T16:30:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Someone told me that Aaron Rodgers likes to blow raccoons. I’m not saying I know one way or the other, I’m just saying someone told me that. > > Does that mean that there is now an allegation that Aaron Rodgers likes to blow raccoons? Yes, finally you get it. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/207 "2010-10-27T20:52:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Changing people’s quotes is against board rules. This is true, and while I’m not going to issue a warning, I did want to step in to make it clear that it’s not cool to change things even if you feel that the meaning hasn’t changed. Just leave the text as it is, please. It would also be appreciated by me (if no one else) if we all could keep the process of reporting posts to be used simply as it is intended – to notify moderators of problems – and not used as a tool to boff our opponents in a heated discussion. Nobody likes a junior mod and it really doesn’t serve to improve the thread. This comment doesn’t bear the weight of Official Prohibition On Behalf of All Mods, but in general I think it’s safe to say to keep rules questions and arguments in appropriate fora. Again, no warnings issued. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/208 "2010-10-27T21:14:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > In that post another poster was making a direct allegation. In this case, no one has made a direct allegation. We only have a hearsay tabloid report that someone has. We don’t actually know that Sterger has said any of the things that deadspin alleges she said. Oh Jesus Christ, degrees of allegation now. Well, you have to deal with the fact that in the time since the Deadspin article, she also hasn’t denied Deadspin’s allegation that she said that Brett Favre sent her pictures of his 8===D ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/209 "2010-10-27T21:23:36Z")
She also hasn’t denied telling me that Aaron Rogers blows raccoons. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/210 "2010-10-27T21:27:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > She also hasn’t denied telling me that Aaron Rogers blows raccoons. I don’t recall you making that allegation on ESPN. He does by the way. PM me for pix. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/211 "2010-10-28T15:35:09Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > This is true, and while I’m not going to issue a warning, I did want to step in to make it clear that it’s not cool to change things even if you feel that the meaning hasn’t changed. Just leave the text as it is, please. Please see me in [ATMB](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=583446). ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/212 "2010-10-28T17:01:55Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’m not one to go around agreeing with \*\*Dio \*\*but he’s 100% correct. What you cited isn’t remotely applicable here. Sexual Harassment and Criminal Harassment aren’t comparable at all. You’ve not demonstrated anything in regards to my claim that sexual harassment is not a criminal offense, which as far as I can find in my fairly extensive Googling is absolutely true. And absent a complaint from Sterger or the massage therapists the civil violation isn’t applicable either. Sexual harassment and criminal harassment are comparable when the sexual harassment _is_ criminal harassment. It’s like saying a disagreement isn’t comparable to assault. One can be interpreted lots of ways, one is a crime. Depending on the facts and the jurisdiction, there’s absolutely no question in my mind that a prosecutor could charge Favre with any number of offenses. You keep telling me I’m wrong and that isn’t remotely applicable, as if I’m trying to obtain a conviction; at the very least, as if I wasn’t just providing **Diogenes** with what he asked for in the first place. It isn’t my fault he chose to be pedantic over an irrelevancy by your standards. This isn’t a memo of law for you to evaluate. We don’t even have any facts. Even if we did, what the hell do I care, and why would I bother trying to prove a case against the guy on the internet? I don’t care if you believe he’s actually guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. What I’m saying is that you are absolutely saying too much when you say “under no circumstances” could Favre be charged with a crime for sending a bunch of unwanted voicemails and invitations and sexually explicit text message. I have defended clients who were alleged to have done roughly what Favre is alleged to have done – sent voicemails, text messages, etc. to somebody that creeped them out. I don’t really know what you want here. Am I lying about that? Is there some reason it’s so hard to believe that there are criminal laws that can apply to the act of exposing yourself to a woman via her cellphone multiple times? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/213 "2010-10-28T17:09:30Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Sexual harassment and criminal harassment are comparable when the sexual harassment _is_ criminal harassment. Even if everything in Deadspin was correct, there would still be no _criminal_ harassment. Nothing in the deadspin story meets any criteria for criminal harassment. You should read them again. Incidentally, what is your basis for saying anything was unwanted. One of Sterger’s friends is now saying that that there was mutual flirting going on, and that she saw Sterger laughing and texting back when she got the dick pics. If the friend is right, then it was all consenual, which automatically means it couldn’t have been harassment. ---
**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/214 "2010-10-29T04:10:44Z")
Just a quick run-down for those not familiar with the genesis and progression of story. Several months ago, a person (who turned out to be Jenn Sterger) told AJ Daulerio, Deadspin editor about the incident with the cellphone pictures and whatnot in the course of a conversation about other random. She even showed him the pictures. He subtly dropped hints about it on the website for a few months but finally told Sterger he was running with the story and naming her. She specifically told him not to name her, but as he stated in the article, he’s a dick and went with it anyway. As far as know Ms. Sterger(who does get by in sports on her looks for the most part, but no more so than any other fluffpiece/sideline reporter), hasn’t made any statements other than she was willing to talk to the NFL about it. The actual pictures, themselves, were obtained from a 3rd party no way connected with Ms. Sterger (supposedly). As far the term allegations, I see it this way. Ms. Sterger told Deadspin of the story in the middle of having a conversation about a separate issue. She “alleged” these things happened, but in the way that you “allege” a funny or unusual anecdote or circumstance that happened to you. I see nothing in the history of this that indicates she intended to become the center of attention in all this. She should have known that Daulerio might run with it on Deadspin, but though it is owned by Gawker Media, Deadspin is not really a tabloid/breaking news kind of site (though more so now than when it started). Now as far as the Deadspin “allegations” go, they only allege that the conversation between Daulerio and Sterger took place and this story was related to them by Sterger. They haven’t made themselves made any allegation that the incident between Farve and Sterger actually took place. So to breakdown this really pedantic argument. Sterger “alleged” in a private conversation with Deadspin related to the fact that Favre sent her obscene picture messages. She has not either backed or denied these statements. Nor was she willing to go on record about it Deadspin “alleges” that this particular conversation took place between Sterger and their Senior Editor and they were only relating a story that came from what they considered a reliable and named source. They have not “alleged” unequivocally that the conduct itself happened in the way that Sterger told them. Allege in these contexts does not necessarily mean accuse (as in I accuse you of murder), but rather as an retelling of situations they deem to be true. Subtle difference, but the term accuse as its more commonly used isn’t really applicable. The only real “accusation” was made in private, with the intention of it remaining private and it is one that has not been confirmed or denied by the actual relater of the original story. And rereading over this, I don’t think my point was all that clear but trying sum it I would that, there really has been no public accusation of wrongdoing by Favre with respect to this matter because the person in the actual position to accuse publicly has not done so yet. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/215 "2010-10-29T15:46:26Z")
For those who are claiming that no possible criminal act occurred, I’d like to point out again the law Jimmy Chitwood referenced: > [@](#): > > 240.26 Harassment in the second degree. > A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person: > > 1. He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or > 2. He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or > 3. He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose. > Subdivisions two and three of this section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended. > Harassment in the second degree is a violation. No doubt there are fans who would be proud to receive a picture of Brett Favre’s penis. But the fact is that many otherwise reasonable people would find it seriously annoying. Maybe even alarming. And that’s where it becomes illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/216 "2010-10-29T15:52:41Z")
There has to be an _intention_ to “_seriously_ annoy,” and the person has to actually BE annoyed (Sterger’s friends says Sterger got a kick out of the texts and that there was a mutual flirtation going on). It also has to be repeated. There is no possibility of criminal charges here. None. There was no crime. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/217 "2010-10-29T15:54:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Even if everything in Deadspin was correct, there would still be no _criminal_ harassment. Nothing in the deadspin story meets any criteria for criminal harassment. You should read them again. The Deadspin story is not a legal pleading, and I’m not treating it like one (neither for that matter are you except in this narrow case). I said “some kind of criminal act.” Then I was asked by you to prove that harassment is a crime, which it is, and which was a total waste of my time, of course, and exactly as much a waste of your time as providing a citation to _anything_ is, because what do you care, you’re just sticking and moving. I’m not a New York lawyer; I don’t know what a DA would do with it there. In jurisdictions with which I am familiar, if they wanted to proceed with this they’d call this harassment, and they’d have cause to do so. You and Favre are both in Minnesota now, right? This is harassment there: > [@](#): > > repeated incidents of intrusive or unwanted acts, words, or gestures that have a substantial adverse effect or are intended to have a substantial adverse effect on the safety, security, or privacy of another, regardless of the relationship between the actor and the intended target; OK? And for christ’s sake, I really have no interest in arguing with you over legal definitions involving a non-case we have no facts about and which you, the least reasonable person around on issues that you’re personally attached to, have an apparently intense personal attachment. I’m not attempting to make an exhaustive case and provide every offense that could ever be charged. It isn’t worth it. I made a pretty general and frankly non-controversial statement that if a guy is sending a lady a bunch of pictures of his penis that she doesn’t want, he can be charged with a crime for that. He will not, but he can. > [@](#): > > Incidentally, what is your basis for saying anything was unwanted. That Sterger is reported to have been creeped out by them, and wanted him “exposed as the creepy douche he is”? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/218 "2010-10-29T15:58:51Z")
You were asked to show that _sexual_ harassment was a crime (which it isn’t). You said he’d been accused of a crime, but he hasn’t been, not even if everything in the Deadspin story is true. Moreover, Sterger has a friend who says she was there when Sterger got the texts, that she laughed at them, and that they were texting mutually back and forth. Her friend is more credible than Deadspin. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/219 "2010-10-29T16:07:24Z")
Well, that’s me finished engaging with you. I’m honestly a little sad about the role you’ve evolved into around here, you know? But there’s nothing else for it. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/220 "2010-10-29T16:09:06Z")
If Sterger doesn’t cooperate with the NFL, which she has given no indication that she will, then there will be no action taken by the NFL except maybe a behind the scenes scolding. That’s unfortunate for the VIkings, because their coach doubtfully has the balls to sit Brett himself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177.md?page=12)