# I don't understand what Jenn Sterger is up to (regarding Farve) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 24, 2010, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177 "2010-10-24T10:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/141 "2010-10-26T19:30:03Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Where’d the story come from in the first place, **Diogenes**? From an online tabloid. > [@](#): > > Why does anybody know that this happened? Why does anyone know WHAT happened? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/142 "2010-10-26T19:33:25Z")
How do you know it wasn’t Favre’s cock? Back your claims up. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/143 "2010-10-26T19:37:59Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > When’d you get your law degree, **Omni**? Never claimed one, yet I actually cited something relevant. You on the other hand… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/144 "2010-10-26T19:41:27Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > How do you know it wasn’t Favre’s cock? Back your claims up. I didn’t claim it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/145 "2010-10-26T19:45:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The NFL has no power to subpoena phone records. That’s true, and as long as this situation never becomes an actual criminal investigation of any kind there would be no way to prove it. But you said it was _impossible_, when clearly, it isn’t impossible. Its just not very _likely_ that the phone records would get subpoenaed. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/146 "2010-10-26T19:55:47Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > That’s true, and as long as this situation never becomes an actual criminal investigation of any kind there would be no way to prove it. But you said it was _impossible_, when clearly, it isn’t impossible. Its just not very _likely_ that the phone records would get subpoenaed. And of course, Sterger could just hand them over to the league if she eventually decides to cooperate. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/147 "2010-10-26T20:46:45Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Did you even bother to read these statutes, or did you just see the word. “harassment” and think you had a gotcha. You’re such a predictable waste of time that it’s incredible you’re still here. What did you ask for a cite for? It’s right up there, about a Favre-length above your post. [QUOTE=Omniscient] Never claimed one, yet I actually cited something relevant. You on the other hand… [/QUOTE] Demonstrated that your claim that “under no circumstances would it be prosecuted as a crime” isn’t true, and that, as I said, harassment is a crime, which **Diogenes** wanted a cite for so he would have something to obliquely complain about. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/148 "2010-10-26T20:47:06Z")
Or maybe she doesn’t have anything to hand over. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/149 "2010-10-26T20:49:19Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > You’re such a predictable waste of time that it’s incredible you’re still here. What did you ask for a cite for? It’s right up there, about a Favre-length above your post. I quoted it. There is nothing in your cite that is on point. Did you even bother to read it? You don’t understand the difference between criminal harassment and the civil tort of sexual harassment. You said Brett Favre was accused of a crime. The Deadspin article does not accuse Favre of anything in your cited statutes. You did NOT provide a cite that workplace sexual harassment (which Favre has still not been even been accused of, by the way) is a crime,a nd you have not provided a cite that anything Deadspin accuses Favre of is a crime. You can’t back up your assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/150 "2010-10-26T20:49:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Or maybe she doesn’t have anything to hand over. She doesn’t have cell phone records to hand over? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/151 "2010-10-26T20:54:37Z")
Who carries their two year old cell phone records around? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/152 "2010-10-26T20:55:41Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Demonstrated that your claim that “under no circumstances would it be prosecuted as a crime” isn’t true, and that, as I said, harassment is a crime, which **Diogenes** wanted a cite for so he would have something to obliquely complain about. I’m not one to go around agreeing with \*\*Dio \*\*but he’s 100% correct. What you cited isn’t remotely applicable here. Sexual Harassment and Criminal Harassment aren’t comparable at all. You’ve not demonstrated anything in regards to my claim that sexual harassment is not a criminal offense, which as far as I can find in my fairly extensive Googling is absolutely true. And absent a complaint from Sterger or the massage therapists the civil violation isn’t applicable either. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/153 "2010-10-26T20:55:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Who carries their two year old cell phone records around? The phone company, she could easily ask for them (they may even be on the website), again if she decided to cooperate. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/154 "2010-10-26T20:59:55Z")
I can’t imagine she would give the NFL that kind of access to her privacy, and even if she did, there still may not be any dick shots, and even if there were the NFL couldn’t prove it was his dick or that it was sent by him. Sterger has nothing to gain by talking to the NFL, and not for nothing, but she still hasn’t even said that she felt harassed. If she actually slept him (it’s possible), she would have even less reason to want to cooperate. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/155 "2010-10-26T21:05:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I can’t imagine she would give the NFL that kind of access to her privacy, and even if she did, there still may not be any dick shots, and even if there were the NFL couldn’t prove it was his dick or that it was sent by him. The phone company would have a record of any MMS messages sent. They could confirm that a MMS message was sent on the day alleged that matched the file size of the accused dick shots from Favre’s number. It would be trivially easy to discover. Since the phones may have been on the Jets internal Blackberry or Exchange Server it might be even easier to uncover since the Jets IT staff would be able to uncover all that data without the phone company. Since these were allegedly Jets company phones neither person can claim any expectation of privacy. Whether the dick shots are legit or not isn’t really meaningful until someone files a complaint. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/156 "2010-10-26T22:33:42Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The phone company would have a record of any MMS messages sent. I imagine that’s true, but I’d be surprised if they still had the actual bytes of the pics. They’re not bound by HIPAA or anything like that, so it’d be a massive waste of disk space. I guess it’s possible some arm of the gov’t may require them to keep MMSs around for a few years… Anyone know what’s required by the Gov’t? Even without the pics themselves, the combination of a file size and date stamp match would probably be insurmountable. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/157 "2010-10-26T22:46:02Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > I imagine that’s true, but I’d be surprised if they still had the actual bytes of the pics. They’re not bound by HIPAA or anything like that, so it’d be a massive waste of disk space. I guess it’s possible some arm of the gov’t may require them to keep MMSs around for a few years… > > Anyone know what’s required by the Gov’t? > > Even without the pics themselves, the combination of a file size and date stamp match would probably be insurmountable. The bill based on volume of bandwidth consumed. They are going to keep that data for a long time on their own accord. It’s fundamental billing data. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/158 "2010-10-26T23:03:34Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The bill based on volume of bandwidth consumed. They are going to keep that data for a long time on their own accord. It’s fundamental billing data. I referring to the actual pics. Of course they’re going to keep billing/transaction records. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/159 "2010-10-27T02:02:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What report? > > I guess it doesn’t matter. Favre has admitted to the innocuous voice mails. Nothing wrong with those. It’s not illegal to hit on hot chicks. So far, it looks like that’s all that happened, though. He’s denying the dick pics are his, and there’s no way to prove he did send them. There are two allegations against Favre; he’s admitted one of them. Can _you_ admit it’s at least possible that the other allegation is true? Not likely, or even probable; just possible. Of course he denied the pictures: they are more flagrant and deniable. Can you also admit, even with just the voice mails, that it’s possible he intended to cheat on his wife and can you further admit, because he intended to cheat on his wife, his character is less than sterling? I don’t give a shit about legal issues, breast cancer, or penis pictures. The guy admittedly, without his wife’s knowledge, asked another woman to come to his hotel room, ostensibly to ???. He’s reprehensible, unredeemable scum if for nothing more than that act. He’s pretty stupid too. Can you admit that? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177/160 "2010-10-27T02:13:11Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > There are two allegations against Favre There are zero allegations against Favre. No one has filed either a civil or criminal complaint. Sterger has accused him of nothing. > [@](#): > > he’s admitted one of them He’s admtted to leaving some innocuous voice mails. The voice mails do not amount to an allegation of anything of any public interest or relavance. > [@](#): > > Can _you_ admit it’s at least possible that the other allegation is true? There is no other allegation, and I have no interest in speculating about the private sex lives about NFL football players. None of my business. > [@](#): > > Can you also admit, even with just the voice mails, that it’s possible he intended to cheat on his wife and can you further admit, because he intended to cheat on his wife, his character is less than sterling? I assume as a matter of course that all pro athletes cheat on their wives and that all their wives know it. I also don’t think anyone alive has sterling character, and most importantly, it’s none of my business. It’s not illegal to cheat on your wife. > [@](#): > > I don’t give a shit about legal issues, breast cancer, or penis pictures. The guy admittedly, without his wife’s knowledge, asked another woman to come to his hotel room, ostensibly to ???. He’s reprehensible, unredeemable scum if for nothing more than that act. He’s pretty stupid too. > > Can you admit that? I think that’s a ridiculously over the top characterization, so no. I can’t agree. You care way too much about Brett Favre’s marriage, dude. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-what-jenn-sterger-is-up-to-regarding-farve/558177.md?page=9)