# I fear I'm about to lose my country **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 22, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926 "2023-10-22T16:48:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/181 "2023-11-18T23:19:52Z")
Peronism would _love_ to be an alliance between the unions and the industry (and a _lot_ of focus on social issues), the problem is that the industry is usually _not_ fond of peronism. The fact that a lot of pro-worker regulations were passed by peronist governments may have something to do with that. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/182 "2023-11-18T23:27:25Z")
If industry sees their main goal as profit or return-to-investors there will always be differences between these groups. A degree of collaboration on issues of mutual concern seems easier in good economic times than in challenging ones. But the substitution of flowery phrases and jargon for sound policy or strong action never goes out of style. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/183 "2023-11-19T00:04:50Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Absolutely, in the 40 years since the return of democracy we haven’t had even one sustained report of fraud. Do you think Milei will pull a Trump and claim fraud anyway, with not a shred of evidence? He seems to be preparing for that path… ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/184 "2023-11-19T01:42:20Z")
I’m absolutely sure he will do exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/185 "2023-11-19T03:11:18Z")
Election day is upon us, may Diego Armando Maradona smile on His people today. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/186 "2023-11-19T07:24:44Z")
Best wishes to you and your country ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/187 "2023-11-19T15:08:52Z")
Just came back from voting, everything seems to be proceeding in orderly fashion. No idea what to do the rest of the day, refresh twitter obsessively and worry, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/188 "2023-11-19T21:24:58Z")
Polls are closed, 76% participation rate, 2 more than the general election 5 less than the last ballotage in 2015. We’ll know more in a few hours. I’m extremely nervous , feet and hands cold, short of breath, the works. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/189 "2023-11-19T21:29:35Z")
I’m following with bated breath. Although, since I’ve just had pickled herring as a before-dinner appetizer, one might say “baited breath”. Best of luck and please post new info as soon as you get it. I’m sure your posts will be far more timely, accurate, and informative than anything we could get from CNN! ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/190 "2023-11-19T22:04:20Z")
Early signs are not good. We’ll have to resist for four years and hope to limit the destruction as much as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/191 "2023-11-19T22:33:55Z")
Not enough votes from Bullrich and the rest went to Massa it seems, it’s almost sure that Milei won. I’m devastated. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/192 "2023-11-19T22:36:53Z")
I’m so sorry. This is what the majority of voters felt in 2016 in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/193 "2023-11-19T23:20:01Z")
I was thinking about that, just now “Now I feel how most dopers felt in 2016”, not that I was happy that night either, I remember feeling awful, but this cuts closer to home of course. it’s anybody’s guess if the country I described in my OP is going to survive. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/194 "2023-11-19T23:46:06Z")
Massa just conceded, as every Peronist government of candidate has done, since Peronism exists, when losing an election, authoritarian populist dictators one and all… I’m in tears right now, I’ll try to turn this sadness into will to resist, but it’s going to be hard as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/195 "2023-11-19T23:49:12Z")
Damn. I was hoping. Will now hope that he doesn’t manage to accomplish as much damage as intended. For which, I suspect, resistance will be necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/196 "2023-11-19T23:52:55Z")
The worst of this is that many of Milei’s voters said things like “he’s not going to be able to implement the worst of those measures, the left and the peronists will march and strike and fight and stop him” What I’m seeing from all those who habitually march and strike and fight, and contribute the deaths and the blood in the hands of the police or the military is “You thought WE were going to save YOU after you voted for THIS!?, forget it buddy, I’m not doing squat this time”. I can’t blame them for that, I’ve never been gassed or hit by the police, I suppose it’s my turn. I can only hope that those old fighters will get over their current rage and feelings of betrayal and help me. I hope I’m up to this too. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/197 "2023-11-20T00:40:56Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Will now hope that he doesn’t manage to accomplish as much damage as intended. I know shamefully little about Argentina . But this situation, where the elected President is from a party that has few members in the national legislature, seems quite unusual. Will this stop him from doing most of what he pledges? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/198 "2023-11-20T00:53:52Z")
Gosh, this has me very sad. I had really hoped it would not go this way. I see what 4 years of Trump has done here and hoped other countries would get the hint. Dang. I just want to cry. I hope this is not how the world continues to turn. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/199 "2023-11-20T01:07:53Z")
I can only add my feelings of bereft dread for you to what others have already well said. Give yourself time to grieve, but don’t give up the fight. I am so sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/200 "2023-11-20T01:08:41Z")
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