# I fear I'm about to lose my country **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 22, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926 "2023-10-22T16:48:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/301 "2023-12-22T13:32:03Z")
Do you think Congress has the will or the might to stop the chainsaw wielding maniac? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/302 "2023-12-22T13:36:49Z")
I hope so, but I fear they may not. Unfortunately a law passed at the behest of previous Peronist presidents allows this kind of thing to pass if one chamber of Congress gives it the go ahead, which goes to show that you should always consider that the powers you are asking for yourself will be eventually wielded by your opponents. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/303 "2023-12-22T16:38:35Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > which goes to show that you should always consider that the powers you are asking for yourself will be eventually wielded by your opponents Quite so. Can’t help but get the feeling that such measures are put in at best thinking that “once we fix this immediate need, we’ll give up this tool” (Narrator: they will not); or at worst that the tables will never flip or that if they do the “other side” won’t be able or willing to use the tools themselves (Narrator: they will and with great enthusiasm). I mean, come on, by this time in history lawmakers can’t be such fools to think “of course, nobody will use this tool for anything except the good and virtuous things it’s meant for”. …right? 🤨 Yet we still wind up with the phenomenon of “Show me exactly where in the LAW and Constitution it says I must, or must not, do this or preserve that, and just who is empowered to _make_ me?” and then the only answer is a weak “But… but… it’s just not the way it’s supposed to be done!” ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/304 "2023-12-22T16:43:30Z")
Yeah, people are remarkably dense about that. A perennial favorite here is the idea that we need a law to stop the media from lying, do they lie? yes, and how!, specially when it favours the right. Is it a good idea to legally prevent them from doing so? HELL NO. Who defines what is a lie and what is the truth? The judiciary here is 75% made of Clarence Thomas wannabes, and still the left periodically makes noise about laws to “force the media to tell the truth” seemingly not realizing that it would be turned against them so fast that they would be in jail before they had time to complain about the corrupt judiciary. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/305 "2023-12-22T17:02:23Z")
So when does he make the color blue illegal? Or mandate that everyone wear their underpants on the outside of their clothing? He already wants drivers to be able to crash into each other with uninsured cars. He sounds like he’s a few cards short of a full pack. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/306 "2023-12-22T17:22:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He sounds like he’s a few cards short of a full pack Oh that’s been obvious for a while now, to the eternal shame of those who voted for him ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/307 "2023-12-22T17:42:12Z")
Another thing about the right wing loonies is that they don’t understand insurance, and that it is beneficial for society, businesses and the individual alike, hence their opposition to universal coverage, unemployment benefits, and the like. But to include car insurance in their rants? That is a new level of stupid to me. My commiserations again, **Frodo** , it looks from the outside like it will have to become much worse before it starts to get better again. And the saddest thing is that such events are never taken as a warning sign by the others, like us, who will be heading in the same direction if we don’t do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/308 "2023-12-22T18:42:14Z")
Fascism Watch, Day 12, part 2 (is one of those days…) I forgot to list one of the more important parts of the Decree from Hell: It designates as “Essential” a whole of occupations (Teachers, for example) severely limiting their right to strike. In other news the government announces it’s going to send the bill for the cost of the security operative during yesterday demonstration to the organizations that promoted it… The right to peacefully assemble was last seen crying in the bathroom, I’m informed. Meanwhile the president retweets a comic showing him putting a protester that bangs a pot (traditional way of expressing disgust with the government, funnily originating on the right side of the political spectrum) in jail… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/309 "2023-12-22T21:59:02Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Oh that’s been obvious for a while now, to the eternal shame of those who voted for him No, those voters are missing those cards also- or maybe a full suit or more likely all cards over a nine. Remember, half the population has an IQ of 100 or less. That is who Right Wing Populists pander to. As said “You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… _morons_ .” ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/310 "2023-12-23T04:10:47Z")
Didn’t take long to do all of those… things. So if Trump is dictator for a day, no worries. Who needs elections? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/311 "2023-12-23T05:19:00Z")
I believe the U.S. institutional inertia is stronger than ours, but yes, it may not take Trump 12 days but he’ll try things like these and he’ll have about four years to do it… ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/312 "2023-12-25T02:59:59Z")
> **['Destroy the whole house': MAGA fans say they're just fine with Trump's...](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-dictator-2666630922/)** > > Attendees at Donald Trump's rallies over the weekend uniformly don't have any worries that he said he'd love to be a "dictator" for one day if he is reelected, with some claiming he's just taunting his critics — and others saying that the U.S. system... ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/313 "2023-12-28T00:04:47Z")
I thought this might be good news. Until this “In interviews with conservative voters in the key state of Pennsylvania, the Guardian’s Chris Stein found more than a handful of former Trump voters who expressed growing alarm at the former president’s increasingly authoritarian rhetoric.” MORE than a handful! That’s not so reassuring. > **['You’d never get him out of office': Conservative voters balking at...](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-dictator-2024/)** > > Despite Donald Trump's commanding lead in the polls, not all Republican and conservative voters are willing to send the ex-president back to the Oval Office if he ends up winning the battle for the 2024 Republican party nomination.According to a... ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/314 "2023-12-28T03:25:42Z")
Fascism watch day 17: In a new “omnibus” bill, sent to congress this time, the president asks for basically all congressional power to be delegated to him for a period of 2 years, extensible to 4 years… The bill also requests: - That any “demonstration” to be registered with the government 48 hours before it takes place, and defines “demonstration” as “any meeting of more than 2 persons in a public space” - Transfers the retirement " **Sustainability Guarantee Fund**" (kind of a state managed mutual fund, used to pay what you’d call Social Security) to the general state treasury, meaning that probably all that I’ve paid for years for retirement is going to be used to pay the Debt… - Dissolves the INADI (anti-discrimination institute) - Dissolves several state organisms for the arts and culture - Changes the way we elect representatives from proportional representation to single member districts (this one I kinda like but, knowing my countrymen, the districts are going to be gerrymandered so fast and so hard that Eldrigde Gerry himself will come back from the dead and renounce any claim on the name, gerrymandering will be called “argentinization” from then on) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/315 "2023-12-28T03:39:59Z")
Do you expect congress to be completely supine on this, or is this either a cover (You can’t blame me for not fixing it, because they stopped me) or a bargaining position (they reject, he counteroffers with the 2/3 or so he _really_ wants and they cave at _that_ point)? Because option 2 or 3 is bad enough, but if congress just caves… Well, yeah, that’s instant single party perpetual rule and likely de facto autocracy. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/316 "2023-12-28T03:45:55Z")
Frankly, I don’t know, I expected congress to roll over as it usually does when the right is in the executive, BUT, this may be too much, this **should** be too much… It’s difficult to say if this is a bargaining tactic, it doesn’t seem to be the way such things are done (usually behind closed doors by talking with all the involved and giving them something in exchange, colloquially known as “rosca”) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/317 "2023-12-28T03:52:16Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Frankly, I don’t know, I expected congress to roll over as it usually does when the right is in the executive, BUT, this may be too much, this **should** be too much… 🙏 Seriously, if this is every vaguely likely to pass, I’d guess they go after your ability to communicate freely (since in person becomes illegal per the above) online, so if you haven’t already, it may be time to look into a VPN or other option to secure your ability to communicate. Which is a terror to have to type. I’m sure you’re also taking all other possible precautions, but I’ll repeat, stay as safe as you can be and still be true to yourself. Another thing that terrifies me: this isn’t even in the _news_ as far as major media is concerned. I did a quick check on CNN, not even on ‘World’ page, much less the front page. No, too concerned with a Korean actor who is dead of probable suicide due to a drug investigation! ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/318 "2023-12-28T18:26:47Z")
The once powerful CGT (Confederacion general del trabajo, General Confederation of Labour) the biggest Trade Union federation has declared a general strike on January 24, which is encouraging (why not sooner though? were the notoriously corrupt union bosses trying to get something for themselves?). Let’s hope they decide to a) Actually fight for their members and the general working population and b) succeed. Both things that haven’t come to pass in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/319 "2023-12-28T21:00:23Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > defines “demonstration” as “any meeting of more than 2 persons in a public space” How is that even possible? There’s a clerk in a store, and a customer. Another customer comes in. They had to have applied for a permit two days ago? There’s a busdriver. Driver can only take one passenger at a time? And no more than two can wait for the bus? Two parents can’t walk out the door with their child, adult or otherwise? – the only thing that can possibly mean is ‘we’re reserving the right to arrest anybody who walks out their door.’ ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/320 "2023-12-28T22:01:51Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > – the only thing that can possibly mean is ‘we’re reserving the right to arrest anybody who walks out their door.’ Ding ding ding!!! It’s the > We can arrest anyone at any time for any reason and charge them with anti-government behavior. law. Every good dictatorship has one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926.md?page=17)