# I fear I'm about to lose my country **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 22, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926 "2023-10-22T16:48:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/461 "2024-02-07T15:34:35Z")
Don’t think so, I think the dogs were cloned in Brazil may be? However I didn’t know about the polo team either, so may be we are?, it’s the kind of thing that happens here sometimes, surprising for an undeveloped country. (For example we sell [nuclear reactors](https://www.pallasreactor.com/en/the-reactor/partners) to the Netherlands, develop new [GMO seeds](https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/bioceres-market-gmo-wheat-argentina-this-year-after-brazil-win-ceo-says-2023-03-07/) and in the somewhat distant past [sent animals to space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeys_and_apes_in_space#Argentina) and won [Nobel prizes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Argentine_Nobel_laureates) in science) Of course if Milei’s plans come to fruition all that unnecessary academic establishment is going to be cut and we’ll become just another banana republic… ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/462 "2024-02-07T15:41:56Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Don’t think so, I think the dogs were cloned in Brazil may be? **The Dogs From Brazil.** Maybe a movie/book? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/463 "2024-02-07T15:44:14Z")
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/464 "2024-02-07T15:46:03Z")
Seriously though, it was a very good book, and the movie version had Gregory Peck’s only portrayal as an out and out evil villain. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/465 "2024-02-07T15:47:48Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Don’t think so, I think the dogs were cloned in Brazil may be? > However I didn’t know about the polo team either, so may be we are?, Here’s an article about it (originally I remember seeing a documentary for it come on the TVs at a sushi place I went to, but I looked this one up real quick). Looks like at some matches _all the horses on both teams_ are clones of the same mare (who is described as the Maradona or Messi of Polo horses in the article). Makes you wonder if there’s an Argentinean lab creating secret Messi or Maradona clones (or hybrid Messi-Maradonas) to deploy at the 2034 World Cup… But I digress. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/466 "2024-02-07T15:52:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Here’s an article about it (originally I remember seeing a documentary for it come on the TVs at a sushi place I went to, but I looked this one up real quick). I think you forgot to include the link 🙂 > [@Babale](#): > > Makes you wonder if there’s an Argentinean lab creating secret Messi or Maradona clones (or hybrid Messi-Maradonas) to deploy at the 2034 World Cup… Probably too much work, they arise naturally from the potreros. (A few months ago I saw a small boy, perhaps 8 or 10 years old, effortlessly recreate Messi’s assist against Croatia in a dusty field, playing against boys half again his size, It made my day) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/467 "2024-02-07T15:54:05Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > I think you forgot to include the link Oops, sorry: > **[Game of clones: Science is immortalizing Argentina’s top polo horses](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/29/horse-cloning-polo-argentina/)** > > A horse-cloning boom has transformed the game of polo, spawned a multimillion-dollar industry and raised ethical questions. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/468 "2024-02-07T15:58:16Z")
Looks like those were cloned in Texas and Milei’s dogs in the USA too, so no secret football deity cloning labs here, we’ll have to continue producing them in the old fashioned way. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/469 "2024-02-07T16:00:35Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Looks like those were cloned in Texas That was the first round - those horses went for so much money (800,000 USD) that a local investor perked his ears: > [@](#): > > When Gabriel Vichera was 30, working in an Argentine lab that had just cloned the first horse in Latin America, he read one day that Cambiaso had auctioned a Cuartetera clone for $800,000. The young scientist saw a business opportunity and pitched it to investors: a company dedicated to cloning horses for Argentine polo. > > More than a decade later, Vichera said his firm, Kheiron Biotech, clones about 100 horses each year — more than just about any company in the world — including about 10 Cuarteteras. Next year, the company expects to double its output. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/470 "2024-02-07T16:08:33Z")
Oops, didn’t read the full article, you are right. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/471 "2024-02-07T16:30:21Z")
I look forward to seeing 11 number 11’s on the Argentinian side. Edit: Oh dang, he’s 10. Why did I think he was 11? Would have been so much more elegant. _hangs head in shame_ ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/472 "2024-02-07T17:01:27Z")
As fun as it would be to watch 11 Messis on the field, you’d need a tall keeper and central defenders or you’d get killed on restarts. So the task is a bit easier: eight Messi clones will do. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/473 "2024-02-07T17:06:49Z")
This thread is getting so Messi… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/474 "2024-02-07T19:32:20Z")
You know, talking about pseudo (or not so pseudo) fascists, incompetence, and cloning always (yes, this combination has come up a couple of times) makes me think of “[Fail Nobra](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTcpZCpEUPY)” (NSFW Robot Chicken clip!). ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/475 "2024-02-09T17:08:44Z")
The president is in full temper tantrum mode and it’s threatening to withhold funds to the provinces (because the representatives from the provinces helped sink some articles of his beloved omnibus bill) Argentina’s tax system is an unholy mess and one of the consequences of that is that a lot of money goes to the national treasury and then it’s disbursed to the provinces in discretional matter, there are “tax pacts” between the provinces and the central government to try and make this work and it generally does (in a very Argentinian move, no attempt has been made to solve this problem, as long as the improvised solution works…) If the president goes forward with this threat… well let’s say that the provincial governors are not going to accept getting their budget cut between 80% and 20% (depending on the province) without protest, thinga could get very heated, not to civil war levels (we don’t do that kind of thing here, usually) but they could stop sending tax money to the central government, blockading roads, ports, you name it, what answer the central government under this stable person would take is anybody’s guess. In the meantime, what he has done is to cut all public transport subsidies outside the Greater Buenos Aires area (and reduced them there) which will result in enormous increases in the already too expensive cost of transportation, he thinks he’s punishing the governors and representatives but he’s really punishing everybody else (governors and representatives usually have cars to move around). ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/476 "2024-02-09T17:15:11Z")
Is there any non-violent means of removing him from office before his term is expired if the masses have had enough of his nonsense? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/477 "2024-02-09T17:16:40Z")
Impeachment, just as in the U.S. (Our systems are very similar, our constitution being more or less based on the U.S. constitution) ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/478 "2024-02-09T17:19:58Z")
Does he currently enjoy crazy blind devotion from a substantial or majority of members of your Congress? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/479 "2024-02-09T17:25:27Z")
No, but between his minority and the rest of the “reasonable right” who’s trying to coopt his government he does have an unstable majority in congress (not enough for ramming the omnibus bill through congress though, but that’s due to the bill containing too many changes to the statu quo at the same time and the government’s incompetence, legislative inexperience and general loathsomeness) If everything goes to hell in a handbasket\*\* due to this and other crazy measures he’ll probably end up impeached, something that the “reasonable right” may be banking on, to put one of their own in his place (eventually, because his less unhinged but more evil VP would take the presidency first) \*\* From an Argentinian perspective English is very quaint sometimes, the equivalent of “goes to hell in a handbasket” in Argentina is “Se va a la mierda”… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/480 "2024-02-09T17:54:33Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > No, but between his minority and the rest of the “reasonable right” who’s trying to coopt his government he does have an unstable majority in congress I would guess that if an impeachment were attempted, his supporters would rally around that to defeat it, and just be strengthened by it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926.md?page=25)