# I fear I'm about to lose my country **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 22, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926 "2023-10-22T16:48:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/521 "2024-03-14T11:55:03Z")
It looks like you got rid of him! > **[Geert Wilders gives up hope of being Dutch PM due to lack of support](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/13/geert-wilders-gives-up-hope-of-being-dutch-pm-due-to-lack-of-support)** > > Leader of far-right Freedom party, whose party came first in election last year, was never able to get all partners in a potential coalition onboard Way to go!, I hope we follow your example as soon as possible. (Harder to do in a presidential system) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/522 "2024-03-14T14:40:31Z")
The senate was finally able to treat the approval or rejection of the decree from hell today, VP (and thus presiding officer of the Senate) Villaruel had no other choice than to finally allow it (because it’s the law). In response the most deplorable of Milei’s supporters are raising hell on twitter and denouncing her as a traitor to the cause and asking for her to be hanged (apparently with the tacit approval of Milei himself) (sounds familiar?) Senate is deliberating now, things don’t look good for the decree, of course we need both chambers to reject it and things would not be so easy in the chamber of representatives. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/523 "2024-03-14T19:38:07Z")
I sincerely hope this actually means something. We still don’t have a government, and it will be right/far right anyway probably. But you’re right, this is good news. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/524 "2024-03-14T19:39:47Z")
Sounds like you’re not out of the woods yet… best of luck over there. ¡Mucha suerte! ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/525 "2024-03-14T19:42:39Z")
In these situations it seems like we can only hope for things to be bad within normal parameters instead of unspeakably bad ☹ Let’s hope things get bad for the shortest possible time at least. succesveel geluk! ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/526 "2024-03-14T20:24:21Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > In these situations it seems like we can only hope for things to be bad within normal parameters instead of unspeakably bad ☹ Very true, but what a fucked up world we live in. Having to fight tooth and nail against making the world actively worse, rather than trying to make the future a better place, or even one that exists (for humans anyway) the way things are going… ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/527 "2024-03-14T22:49:15Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > VP (and thus presiding officer of the Senate) Villaruel had no other choice than to finally allow it (because it’s the law). > In response the most deplorable of Milei’s supporters are raising hell on twitter and denouncing her as a traitor to the cause and asking for her to be hanged (apparently with the tacit approval of Milei himself) (sounds familiar?) Terribly familiar. All this shit is coming from the same underlying problem. (Couldn’t think of a better word than shit off the top of my head. Actual shit is a necessary substance which makes good fertilizer. This is not and does not.) ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/528 "2024-03-14T22:58:36Z")
🙏 thanks ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/529 "2024-03-14T23:55:40Z")
Aaand the decree is rejected. The sad part is that it need to be rejected by both chambers 🤦‍♂️ , I hope once this nightmare ends the law is reformed (by decree perhaps? 😛 ) so it is a bit harder for the executive to basically legislate from “Rivadavia’s Armchair” (El Sillón de Rivadavia) (the chair where the president sits, Rivadavia being the first President (also the first to take foreign debt 🤦‍♂️ )) Prospects for the decree being rejected by the chamber of representatives are not so good, but let’s see what happens, perhaps the idiot in chief will react so unhingedly (is that a word?) to this minor set back that they’ll realize that it’s a bad idea to give in to his demands. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/530 "2024-03-15T03:28:46Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > unhingedly (is that a word?) It’s English, you can do what you want with it. If it wasn’t a word before, it is now. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/531 "2024-03-24T14:28:09Z")
Getting ready to go to the annual March 24th demonstration, commemorating and repudiating the last military coup (on March 24th, 1976). To my shame I’ve never participated before, but now it seems especially important. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/532 "2024-03-24T15:30:19Z")
Hope you get a huge turnout. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/533 "2024-03-24T15:37:11Z")
I hope there is a huge turnout, and that those in power (hopefully, not for long!) take a lesson on it towards the will of the governed, and not as an excuse to wipe out opposition by stopping a “riot”. Damn I wish I was joking, but flippin’ Trump and Putin (a non-accidental pairing) put paid to any faith on the tiny, miniscule part of me that ever thought “certainly they wouldn’t go _that_ far, it would _look_ bad!” ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/534 "2024-03-24T17:12:06Z")
It sure looks like there’s a lot of people, but I’m not sure how it compares with other years. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/535 "2024-03-24T22:43:17Z")
Got back some hours ago, didn’t stay long because my mom was with me and she’s no longer as spry as she used to be. After I left people continued to arrive, is still not certain if this was the largest March 24th demonstration of all but it certainly it’s on the top 3. Some pictures I took: People starting to concentrate with the Obelisk in the background: [![](https://i.imgur.com/bhkDKc8.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/bhkDKc8.jpeg) When we reached this point I thought we wouldn’t be able to advance more, but we later took a lateral street and more or less made it to the Plaza de Mayo: [![](https://i.imgur.com/xjv1I7F.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/xjv1I7F.jpeg) This is more or less the closer we got to the Plaza and the government house: [![](https://i.imgur.com/qbkE26F.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/qbkE26F.jpeg) To the left you can see the Cabildo, the old Spanish administration building, some parts of the current building date to the early 1700s [![](https://i.imgur.com/XPFwKji.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/XPFwKji.jpeg) Selfie, from left to right: me, my youngest sister, my mom. [![](https://i.imgur.com/vnUQIOr.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/vnUQIOr.jpeg) Some drone footage: > ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/536 "2024-03-25T13:11:44Z")
Government numbers put the amount of people in the Plaza yesterday at only 80.000 (yeah right), Right wing newspapers say 100.000, Left wing newspapers sat 400.000 (mmm…) I’d split the difference and say about 200.000 (especially if we count not the maximum number of people at a given point in time but the total amount in all the day). All in all, counting the surprisingly massive demonstrations in other cities (Rosario, Cordoba, etc.) I’d say close to a half a million people or even more. There’s an air of optimism for the forces of reason in the air, let’s hope it’s warranted. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/537 "2024-03-25T14:11:12Z")
> [@Pazu](#): > > > [@Frodo](#): > > > > From an Argentinian perspective English is very quaint sometimes, the equivalent of “goes to hell in a handbasket” in Argentina is “Se va a la mierda”… > > Plenty of us English-speakers say “It all goes to shit” as well 😉 Actually the correct Spanish form is “Se va a la _puta_ mierda”. Argentinian Spanish can be quite quaint from Spain’s perspective 😏 > [@Frodo](#): > > If your impression of spanish came from books and message boards you’ll think it is more polite than English (depending on the message board may be) You really must read Camilo José Cela and must avoid visiting [forocoches](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForoCoches) at all cost. On another vein, this week’s [the Economist runs a long article](https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2024/03/19/after-100-brutal-days-javier-milei-has-markets-believing) on Milei’s first 100 days in office and - sigh! - is quite positive about it. They endorsed his candidacy before the vote and seem unwilling or unable to correct a mistake. No wonder I read them less and less often. You may have to register to read the full article. > [@Frodo](#): > > Selfie Hey, you really look like your avatar! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/538 "2024-03-25T14:19:38Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Actually the correct Spanish form is “Se va a la _puta_ mierda”. Argentinian Spanish can be quite quaint from Spain’s perspective 😁 I wouldn’t be so sure about that, though, “se va a la mierda” is just the standard wording, additional adjetives like “reverenda, reputisima, reverendisima” can be added depending on how much shit is involved. > [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Hey, you really look like your avatar! 😃 Except for my lack of hair, conveniently hidden by my cap with the excuse of avoiding sunburn. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/539 "2024-03-25T14:33:28Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > On another vein, this week’s [the Economist runs a long article](https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2024/03/19/after-100-brutal-days-javier-milei-has-markets-believing) on Milei’s first 100 days in office and - sigh! - is quite positive about it. They endorsed his candidacy before the vote and seem unwilling or unable to correct a mistake. No wonder I read them less and less often. You may have to register to read the full article. The Economist has been on Milei’s camp from day one, they seem like the typical “Amputate everything so the operation is a success, even if the patient dies” thinkers. The problem with that being that we tried that in the 90’s with devastating results. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/540 "2024-03-27T02:08:15Z")
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