# I fear I'm about to lose my country **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 22, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926 "2023-10-22T16:48:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/601 "2024-05-10T18:38:42Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > > [@Frodo](#): > > > > In embarrassing news the new head of the science and tech committee in congress is a flat earther šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø > > We should all be merry and laugh and party, it is so ridiculous it can only get better. Thereā€™s nowhere to go but up! Or over and off the side of the Flat Earthā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/602 "2024-05-10T19:22:33Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Frodo](#): > > > > In embarrassing news the new head of the science and tech committee in congress is a flat earther šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø > > (ā€¦) > > Thereā€™s nowhere to go but up! > > Or over and off the side of the Flat Earthā€¦ Particularly ironic for someone from the Global South. (To paraphrase a classic Mafalda strip, wouldnā€™t that mean you guys are hanging upside down?) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/603 "2024-05-10T19:53:08Z")
We are, and thus the ideas fall down from our brains and we vote this kinda of people into powerā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/604 "2024-05-10T20:07:28Z")
The last decade or so has been feeling seriously like the [Feast of Fools](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5BcPCnYt-k) every damn day. Except that most people donā€™t realize itā€™s cute, possibly even healthy for a single day, and disastrous as a way of life. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/605 "2024-05-15T18:09:39Z")
Update: The administration has guaranteed funding for the University of Buenos Aires but not the others, a win? an (rather too likely to succeed) attempt to ā€œdivide and conquerā€?. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/606 "2024-05-15T19:55:17Z")
Dude will not rest until everything that made us proud is gone, I think: [https://www.science.org/content/article/spending-cuts-imperil-argentina-s-ambitious-nuclear-research-programs](https://www.science.org/content/article/spending-cuts-imperil-argentina-s-ambitious-nuclear-research-programs) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/607 "2024-05-15T19:59:59Z")
Heā€™s really into the ā€œMake International Moneylenders Imperialā€ (sorry, best I could do on short notice to parody MAGA) isnā€™t he? Cut everything that doesnā€™t go into the pockets of himself and his key cronies (IMHO), try to bribe elements of opposition into compliance, and then (equally IMHO) get plenty of international support while, as @Frodo said, gutting everything that makes his nation the nation it is. I mean, it looks like a fast track to a Russia clone, ruled by a few oligarchs who are almost untouchable with the worst aspects of both capitalism and command economies. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/608 "2024-05-15T20:54:40Z")
Itā€™s kinder than ā€œmasomenos abortar ganancias argentinasā€, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/609 "2024-05-15T21:01:16Z")
Which, for anyone not able to check with Google Translate: ā€œmore or less abort Argentine profitsā€ Now I have no idea if that is an accurate translation, or is missing a lot of nuance (I suspect it is) - but at least it keeps the MAGA anacronym intact! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/610 "2024-05-15T21:02:49Z")
Ganancias also means earnings. Iā€™m sure Frodo could come up with something better than I did. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/611 "2024-05-21T09:20:56Z")
Milei is making friends in Spain. Among the fascist, of course. > **[Diplomatic row deepens after Javier Milei calls wife of Spanish PM ā€˜corruptā€™](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/20/diplomatic-row-deepens-after-javier-milei-calls-wife-of-spanish-pm-corrupt)** > > Spain recalls its Buenos Aires ambassador and demands apology from Argentinaā€™s populist president For context: Milei has visited Spain invited by Vox, the fascist party that is hoping to gain votes and seats in the upcoming European Parliament election. He spoke at a Vox rally in Spain, where he insulted several politicians and their families and friends. It was not an official visit, so he did not visit the King nor the Prime Minister or the Foreign Minister. But he is very proud of owning the Libs or something like that, I guess. Or, as he put it on Xitter himself: > ā€œHELLO EVERYONE! THE LION IS BACK, SURFING ON A WAVE OF SOCIALIST TEARS. LONG LIVE FREEDOM, DAMN IT!ā€ Classy. Wonder what the Argentine media make of this and whether it is registered at all. The Spanish media are divided: the right wing press is busy criticising Spainā€™s government, the left wing press is doing the exact opposite. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/612 "2024-05-21T14:17:51Z")
Argentina media seems to be critical of Mileiā€™s idiocy, the grade of vitriol in the criticism is proportional to the right-\>left position of the specific media entity. Pagina 12 (lefty newspaper) front page says it all: [![](https://images.pagina12.com.ar/styles/width700/public/2024-05/nacional_17.jpg?itok=YR_pc7iX) ](https://images.pagina12.com.ar/styles/width700/public/2024-05/nacional_17.jpg?itok=YR_pc7iX) ā€œVery frankā€ My personal opinion is that Milei is beginning to unravel, he never was very stable but he seems to be getting more and more unhinged, may be the pressure of the job is getting to him?. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/613 "2024-05-21T16:50:24Z")
Youā€™re much more in the know that I will likely be. I _suspect_ that like Trump, he suffers from the desire to be _seen_ to be be seen as _important_ but like Trump he doesnā€™t want to do any of the boring parts of the job. Making concessions, building alliances, finding ways to make his grand (and shortsighted) plans work in a real world where he isnā€™t playing SIM-Argentina and can use cheat codes. I also suspect that, again, like Trump, when things arenā€™t working the way he wants, heā€™s run to the comforting cheers of like-minded fellows to get the adulation hit while ignoring reality. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/614 "2024-05-21T16:56:42Z")
Agree, but as time goes by (weā€™re just about 6 months on a 4 year term) he seems to be acting crazier and crazier, and as of yet none of the inevitable crises of a government term have happened. What will happen to this man if inflation starts to rise again? if there is a run on the peso (there seems to be a beginning of one as I write this, yesterday morning the rate was 1100 pesos/ 1 dollar, today itā€™s 1250)? All governments have a bad month or so (at the very least!), but until now all governments were headed by sane adults, may be corrupt and/or incompetent but adults. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/615 "2024-05-21T17:05:14Z")
Iā€™m terrified of the possibilities, but the _least_ harmful one I can think of is that he throws a tantrum, claims that everyone is against him, and decides to take his ball and go home, IE quit. Which Iā€™m sure would create a massive spiraling effect on internal and international confidence, making any economic issues balloon out of control. Sadly, thatā€™s the _best case_ scenario IMHO in the circumstances you mention. I think instead heā€™ll start getting rid of people who disagree with him, by means fair and foul, if nothing more than firing anyone who contradicts him until the government is well and fully gutted, and continue to break anything he doesnā€™t understand (which appears to be nearly everything) until he finally leaves in disgust. But _right now_ I donā€™t see him making it to the end of his 4 year term, based on the results to dateā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/616 "2024-05-21T17:10:37Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Iā€™m terrified of the possibilities, but the _least_ harmful one I can think of is that he throws a tantrum, claims that everyone is against him, and decides to take his ball and go home, IE quit. I agree with this, quit and live of his celebrity with the more insane parts of the global right (so the old Sarah Palin gambit). Even that ā€œleast harmfulā€ option would leave the presidency on the hands of Victoria Villaruel, the VP, a known apologist of the last military dictatorship, we may end up missing the times when the president was pretty evil but at least incompetent, instead of extremely evil and less incompetent šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/617 "2024-05-23T18:43:18Z")
And today the Guardian publishes this about Milei: > **[ā€˜Iā€™m the king and I will destroy you!ā€™: Argentinian president stages frenetic...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/23/javier-milei-buenos-aires-argentina)** > > Javier Milei stuns nation with book release party-cum-rock concert described as ā€˜pagan massā€™ in famed Buenos Aires venue What can you say? (Generic ā€œyouā€, but also asking **Frodo** , in case he has the stamina to analize this new turn of crazy.) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/618 "2024-05-23T19:44:58Z")
There is little to say, just hope this madman does destroy everything. I hope those who voted for him but are otherwise rational and sensible see this as the moment when they realize their mistake, if they hadnā€™t before. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/619 "2024-05-23T19:47:00Z")
> Ana Eugenia Clemente, a 33-year-old Venezuelan actor, clutched Mileiā€™s new book as she exalted Argentinaā€™s entertainer-in-chief. ā€œI feel a deep hatred for the evil left that damaged my country and feel Milei is a person who has come to save not only [Argentina](https://www.theguardian.com/world/argentina), but the world,ā€ she enthused. I guess crazy is the same wherever you go. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/620 "2024-05-23T20:08:47Z")
doesnā€™t\* destroy everything, too late too edit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926.md?page=32)