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### Author:  [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)
#### Post date: [October 28, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/68 "2023-10-28T14:41:37Z")
Hehe, the man is crazier than we thought, the problem is that the media is not really biting too hard on it, he gained the support of the right and the media is not too eager to go against that power block.
I can guarantee that if a peronist or lefty candidate had done something like this they would be showing this 24/7.
Anyway it’s going to make it harder for him to gain new votes, that’s for sure, and who knows what will happen in future interviews and in the presidential debate (I hope Massa goes prepared to provoke him somehow)
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### Author:  [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/69 "2023-10-29T00:27:53Z")
Now Milei’s supporters are are going Full Trump and crying fraud both for last sunday and for the election to come, off course they don’t go to court (knowing they’ll lose), they are sure stinking Twitter and other social media about it.
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### Author:  [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/70 "2023-10-31T04:34:20Z")
> [@Frodo](#):
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> That said, modern day Peronism is far closer to FDR than Huey Long.
I trust/hope modern day Peronism has dropped import substitution in favor of export oriented growth? That was a big mistake made by many Latin American countries until the 1980s/1990s. There was a sort of natural experiment from 1950 onwards: the countries that made the greatest developmental steps avoided a strong currency/import substitution policy.
In other news, John Oliver did a piece on Javier Milei:
> **[John Oliver Takes Down World’s Weirdest Wannabe President](https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-oliver-takes-down-worlds-weirdest-wannabe-president-javier-milei?ref=home)**
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> The “Last Week Tonight” host introduced viewers to right-wing libertarian Argentinian Javier Milei, known for waving chainsaws in public.
> One Milei supporter in a chainsaw costume told a reporter that he doesn’t think it’s a big deal that Milei and his ideas are untested. “Not to break my one rule and not argue with a guy dressed as a chainsaw but lots of ideas haven’t been tested before,” Oliver retorted. “We also haven’t tried all-trampoline retirement homes or letting a raccoon be chief of surgery. That’s because some ideas are just bad.”
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/71 "2023-10-31T05:13:24Z")
I came here to post that and got ninja’d by 35 minutes, dammit! 😉
That was from last Sunday’s show, October 29. It wasn’t the main story, though, so it was just a short piece of five minutes or so. The guy is one unhinged wackjob for sure!
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/72 "2023-10-31T05:42:28Z")
Also to add, from what I’m seeing Argentina has an inflation rate that’s hit the triple digits, and some 40% of the population is below the poverty line. This would seem to argue the need for strong leadership at this time, not crazy people who hear voices.
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### Author:  [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/73 "2023-10-31T14:17:09Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#):
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> I trust/hope modern day Peronism has dropped import substitution in favor of export oriented growth?
Nope, it’s a hard sell because deep down many Argentinans (and all peronists) want to be citizens of a country that builds things, we don’t want to export raw materials and then buy things made from those raw materials from other countries.
That said, Peronism is nothing if not pragmatic, if exporting raw materials is a valid path to prosperity (and staying in power!) they’ll do it first and worry about doctrine later.
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### Author:  [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/74 "2023-10-31T14:21:07Z")
Yes, but that same economic turmoil gives power to those who promise “change”.
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### Author:  [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/75 "2023-10-31T20:39:05Z")
Never mind, we are safe:
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/76 "2023-10-31T20:47:21Z")
Liz Truss must wish she had had such a successful lettuce test.
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### Author:  [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/77 "2023-10-31T20:56:11Z")
One problem is that this surge to triple digit inflation happened under Massa’s watch as finance minister, which opens the door to many justified criticisms. The third candidate chose to endorse the loony over the known bad finance minister citing common sense and budgetary restraint. Which is a very bad justification IMO, particularly the former argument. Now when those are the only two candidates left the choice is clear: a madman is the one to avoid. But it is sad that it came down to those two. The others must have been abysmal, or something is very wrong with democracy and the voters and the system.
But I am no Argentinian, and still don’t grasp Peronism.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/78 "2023-10-31T21:17:21Z")
That is a brilliant election system. I strongly support a Tortoicratic form of government.
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### Author:  [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/79 "2023-10-31T21:32:48Z")
Oh come ON! This is the SDMB. You had that opening and you DIDN’T say:
_ **“It’s turtles all the way down!”** _
It’s a freaking board TROPE and you missed it! I’m ashamed of us all. 🤣
(yes fellow pedants, I know turtles aren’t the same as a tortoise, work with me here)
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2023, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-fear-im-about-to-lose-my-country/991926/80 "2023-10-31T22:14:22Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#):
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> Oh come ON! This is the SDMB. You had that opening and you DIDN’T say:
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> _ **“It’s turtles all the way down!”** _
I set it so someone else can spike it.
Still, for @Frodo, I really hope that tortoise made the right prediction and Massa prevails.
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