# I feel cheated! No Vader story from Disney+ **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 16, 2025, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052 "2025-01-16T19:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/1 "2025-01-16T19:16:54Z")
Saw these promotions for the new Vader origin movie: [Teaser](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty1yoqsS9mE) [Trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVva2R9Sx8) Dude! Admiral Thrawn counseling Vader? Bleeding a khyber crystal? Darth Vader saying , “F Anakin.” This is the best thing from the franchise since _Rogue One_ Unfortunately these are fan-made. Disney is not doing this. When I found that out after watching these … not gonna say I cried; not gonna say I didn’t cry. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/2 "2025-01-16T19:29:41Z")
I thought the “Vader story” was Star Wars Episode 1-6? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/3 "2025-01-16T19:31:39Z")
This is how he learned to be a Sith Lord under Palpatine. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/4 "2025-01-16T19:32:54Z")
So then something filling the gap between 3 and 4, I like it. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/5 "2025-01-17T00:08:39Z")
The obvious problem is that James Earl Jones is dead, and Vader just wouldn’t be the same without him. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/6 "2025-01-17T00:17:08Z")
Prior to his death, Jones signed an agreement with Disney/Lucasfilm to allow them to use AI tools to create new Vader dialogue, based on archival recordings of Jones’ work voicing the character. As noted in the article below, AI was, in fact, used to create new lines for Vader for the _Obi-Wan Kenobi_ Disney+ series. > **[James Earl Jones’ Darth Vader Has Already Been Immortalized With AI](https://www.wired.com/story/james-earl-jones-darth-vader-death-artificial-intelligence/)** > > James Earl Jones died Monday at the age of 93. But long before he did, he gave Lucasfilm permission to recreate his iconic Darth Vader voice for shows like "Obi-Wan Kenobi." ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/7 "2025-01-17T01:17:18Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Darth Vader saying , “F Anakin.” No thanks. Han Solo saying “go to Hell” and Poe talking about a “big-ass door” was jarring enough. Hearing cursing in Star Wars just feels wrong to me. It’s like hearing Adam West’ Batman shout “Freeze, motherfucker!” at Cesar Romero. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/8 "2025-01-17T01:32:35Z")
I’m not cool with the F word. But as far back as the original trilogy, Han said things like “What the hell are you doing?”; “You damn fool, I knew you’d say that.”; and “Then I’ll see you in hell.” That kind of cussing is nothing new. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/9 "2025-01-17T01:35:19Z")
Meh. I feel like anything trying to emulate the Golden Age of Space Opera should have made-up swear words. Like Battlestar Galactica and “frak”, or the guys in Asimov stories who yell “Space it!” or “Good galaxy!” whenever they’re nonplussed. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/10 "2025-01-17T01:41:05Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > But as far back as the original trilogy, Han said things like “What the hell are you doing?”; “You damn fool, I knew you’d say that.”; and “Then I’ll see you in hell.” That kind of cussing is nothing new. Yeah, his dialog was meant to match his Space Rogue template. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/11 "2025-01-17T01:46:02Z")
I was 10 years old when Star Wars came out, and it was the first movie I ever saw where people swore. All the cuss words stick in my memory for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-feel-cheated-no-vader-story-from-disney/1013052/12 "2025-01-17T02:35:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > No thanks. Han Solo saying “go to Hell” and Poe talking about a “big-ass door” was jarring enough. He didn’t actually say the F word. It was more of his sentiment. Sorry for the confusion.