# I find it ironic (abortion and freedom) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 19, 2003, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532 "2003-07-19T02:59:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AtheistWorld.Com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@AtheistWorld.Com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtheistWorld.Com)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/1 "2003-07-19T02:59:38Z")
I find it ironic that the people here in the US allow our government to treat us like subjects/slaves! Many congressman are talking about passing legislation which would put women in jail for having an abortion. Go figure? is the woman the property of the govrnment? Obviously yes since the government seems to be able to do whatever the hell it wants. What a sad state. So much for individual freedom… Max ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/2 "2003-07-19T03:06:11Z")
That would be sad. What country are you in? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/3 "2003-07-19T03:06:27Z")
Since when has putting people in jail been considered making people property? We do it all the time for hundreds of offenses and have since day one of the nation. If the government passes a law outlawing abortions and you break that law then you go to jail…nothing new about that. You can, of course, disagree with that law and try to get it repealed (or not passed in the first place) but it doesn’t make women property. Many people in this country consider a woman choosing an abortion murder and murder is against the law. [sub]Personally I would hate to see abortion outlawed and I do not agree with the anti-choice crowd.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![AtheistWorld.Com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@AtheistWorld.Com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtheistWorld.Com)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/4 "2003-07-19T03:10:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Many people in this country consider a woman choosing an abortion murder and murder is against the law. Any many more consider abortion a personal matter which should be left alone to the individual! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/5 "2003-07-19T03:26:22Z")
As far as I know, no such law is being proposed…so what are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![AtheistWorld.Com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@AtheistWorld.Com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtheistWorld.Com)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/6 "2003-07-19T03:29:35Z")
Such a law is being considered by many legislators to be introduced after the Ellections (I am in the US). Do you not watch the news? It was all over CNN, FOX NEW, MSNBC etc. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/7 "2003-07-19T03:33:43Z")
Do you have a link to the text of the bill? Hard to debate legislation w/o the legislation. The **Devil** ’s in the details when it comes to laws. thanks ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/8 "2003-07-19T03:43:24Z")
[AtheistWorld.com](http://AtheistWorld.com) said: > [@](#): > > Many congressman are talking about passing legislation which would put women in jail for having an abortion. Who are these “many” congressmen? Where have they talked about it? In a later message, you say it was all over CNN, Fox, etc. That’s great – then it should be really easy for you to provide a cite. ---
**Author:** ![ImNotMad2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f08c70/32.png) [@ImNotMad2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ImNotMad2)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/9 "2003-07-19T04:18:30Z")
I’m not sure what **[AtheistWorld.Com](http://AtheistWorld.Com)** is referring to, but there is currently underway an attempt to pass a law against ‘partial-birth’ abortion. Even many pro-choice folks would support this one. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/10 "2003-07-19T04:21:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ImNotMad2 \* > \*\*I’m not sure what **[AtheistWorld.Com](http://AtheistWorld.Com)** is referring to, but there is currently underway an attempt to pass a law against ‘partial-birth’ abortion. > > Even many pro-choice folks would support this one. \*\* Didn’t Bush already sign that one? I think he did. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/11 "2003-07-19T04:42:08Z")
(Wince) Ugh, now I know how moderate Christians feel when fundies offer up random, poorly researched posts. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/12 "2003-07-19T04:57:13Z")
This sure is an interesting twist on the de rigeur abortion thread. I’ve never seen this approach before. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/13 "2003-07-19T06:15:33Z")
I don’t think you know what “ironic” actually means. If every word you posted were 100% true, it still wouldn’t be ironic. It would just suck. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/14 "2003-07-19T06:32:07Z")
You know, ironic, like in that Toni Morrison song Ironic. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/15 "2003-07-19T06:54:01Z")
I find it **moronic** that someone would post a thread such as this one. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/16 "2003-07-19T06:55:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by [AtheistWorld.Com](http://AtheistWorld.Com) \* > \*\*I find it ironic that the people > here in the US allow our government to treat us like subjects/slaves! > > Many congressman are talking about passing legislation which would put women in jail for having an abortion. > Max \*\* I have no doubts such bills have and will be introduced, but I see evidence one is close to passing. Also, the Supreme court still has a say in that, even if one were passed. ---
**Author:** ![frithrah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ad7895/32.png) [@frithrah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/frithrah)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/17 "2003-07-19T07:01:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by [AtheistWorld.Com](http://AtheistWorld.Com) \* > \*\*I find it ironic that the people > here in the US allow our government to treat us like subjects/slaves! > > Many congressman are talking about passing legislation which would put women in jail for having an abortion. > \*\* Welcome Atheist. I’m not unsympathetic to your views. Please don’t discredit your point by ignoring the board rules. Read the Moderators post at the top. Does your title in any way suggest the content of your post? Thorough poignant observation, fairness and objectivity will win the day. And I share your righteous indignation, but juxtaposing slavery with a woman’s right to choose in this manner will do little to sway opinion or further this cause. It would be more appropriate to point out that repealing roe vs. wade would be akin to reverting to segregation or a return to allowing slavery. Help us. Be good! Thanks~~~ ---
**Author:** ![frithrah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ad7895/32.png) [@frithrah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/frithrah)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/18 "2003-07-19T07:08:11Z")
I wrote: _It would be more appropriate to point out that repealing roe vs. wade would be akin to reverting to segregation or a return to allowing slavery._ Okay, so even this is a stretch. The loose point being that it is a backward move in civil rights. Flame on. K~ ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/19 "2003-07-19T12:42:35Z")
[Moderator Hat: ON] I should have done this earlier – I’m changing the title of this thread to make it more obvious what it’s actually about. For reference, the original title was “I find it ironic that people” * * * David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator [Moderator Hat: OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2003, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532/20 "2003-07-19T13:51:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Whack-a-Mole \* > \*\*[sub]Personally I would hate to see abortion outlawed and I do not agree with the anti-choice crowd.[/sub] \*\* “Anti-choice” seems really to have taken hold on this board. So I take it you would not object to being referred to as pro-abortion? Or can we all extend the common courtesy of referring to people by their typically preferred designation, even if they happen to disagree with you? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-find-it-ironic-abortion-and-freedom/189532.md?page=2)