# I finished Dune (the book) and I have some questions \*spoilers!\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 3, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901 "2011-12-03T00:05:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/41 "2011-12-06T22:19:03Z")
The Lynch movie’s sonci weirding modules were added because in the books the Emperor is afraid of Leto because his soldiers are being trained to Sarduakar levels. But that was too complicated to explain, so they decided that the Atreides had a new technological secret weapon. But of course, after 10,000 years of technological stagnation, now you’re pulling a new secret weapon out of your ass? And how exactly are these sonic weapons better than an AK-47? ---
**Author:** ![awldune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@awldune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/awldune)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/42 "2011-12-06T22:37:40Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > And my other question concerns Earth. Those who have access to their ancestral memories have memories of Earth, so it does at least exist in the past of the Dune universe. I cannot remember any reference to the current status of Earth in the novels. Apparently in the Dune Encylopedia it says that Earth was devastated by an asteroid strike around 2800AD, but then it was “reseeded” and became inhabitable again, if not hugely significant: > **[Earth/DE](https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Earth/DE)** > > Terra, or Sol III,\[1\] is the planet of origin of humanity. The earliest known civilizations on Earth can be traced back to approximately 19000 BG (c. 2800 BCE). The First Empire was believed to be started by Aleksandr (Alexander III of Macedon)... ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/43 "2011-12-06T22:47:56Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > The Lynch movie’s sonci weirding modules were added because in the books the Emperor is afraid of Leto because his soldiers are being trained to Sarduakar levels. But that was too complicated to explain, so they decided that the Atreides had a new technological secret weapon. > > But of course, after 10,000 years of technological stagnation, now you’re pulling a new secret weapon out of your ass? And how exactly are these sonic weapons better than an AK-47? Pure speculation follows: There was a lot of “tech” and procedures shown in the movie that was defensive in nature. (To prevent assasinations, I presume.) Like the personal shields that stopped fast moving objects, but not slow ones, and sensors for detecting known explosives, poisons, and power sources. Something [a weapon] as inert as a door handle that gets it’s power from “the voice” (or some similar technique) bypasses a lot of those defenses. So Atredeis has a weapon that shields won’t stop, nor sets of any detectors (making surprise attacks possible). That might scare folks. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/44 "2011-12-06T22:53:17Z")
Yeah, that’s why guns aren’t good weapons, you have personal shields, which is why everyone uses swords. Of course this is really only because aristocrats don’t seem aristocrat-y unless they’re swordfighting. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/45 "2011-12-06T22:54:10Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Yeah, that’s why guns aren’t good weapons, you have personal shields, which is why everyone uses swords. Of course this is really only because aristocrats don’t seem aristocrat-y unless they’re swordfighting. You noticed that as well? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/46 "2011-12-06T22:59:28Z")
Thw main difference I recall in the Sci-Fi miniseries was that Irulan was given an expanded role to make up for losing her expository bits at the beginning of each chapter. The second miniseries deviated a bit more - the Duncan ghola is called “Duncan” from the beginning instead of “Hayt”, and Leto’s transformation doesn’t seem to set him up very well to become the God Emperor. I did find them prfetgty enjoyable, despite the low budget (matte backgrounds in 2000?) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/47 "2011-12-07T01:14:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Thw main difference I recall in the Sci-Fi miniseries was that Irulan was given an expanded role to make up for losing her expository bits at the beginning of each chapter. The second miniseries deviated a bit more - the Duncan ghola is called “Duncan” from the beginning instead of “Hayt”, and Leto’s transformation doesn’t seem to set him up very well to become the God Emperor. I did find them prfetgty enjoyable, despite the low budget (matte backgrounds in 2000?) I think they made the right choice expanding Irulan’s role. One of the major deviations between the books, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, and the 2nd miniseries was the age of Leto II and Ghanima. IIRC they were about 9 (physically, not mentally) in the book; in the mini I think they were about 16-18. Leto being entirely prepubecent when he became half-worm is a huge plot point (since it means he’s sterile). It’s the entire reason why he “marries” his sister and let’s her take Farad’n as a concubine. He get’s to be the legal father of her children, and the Atreides and Corrino bloodlines are forever united. I also thought Susan Sarandon was a poor choice to play Princess Wensicia opposite Julie Cox’s (Dowager) Empress Irulan. Nothing against Sarandon but it was too distracting imagining her to be the younger sister. She’s 28 years older than Cox for crying out load. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/48 "2011-12-07T01:23:01Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > One more question then: So the BG didn’t like Paul cause they can’t control him. If they had a Kwisatz Haderach that they could control, what was their endgame? Break the 3 legs of the Imperium and rule over all of humanity? Something less ambitious? One of the main reasons the Kwisatz Haderach is so powerful is what he knows (i.e. pretty much everything). It could be that they wanted _him_ to work out the endgame that gets them what they want. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/49 "2011-12-07T03:06:58Z")
I’m home now, looks like there’s 2 more questions that I had. Other than the Fremen, who else knows that sandworms make spice? My other question may not be answerable yet. My version of the book is dated 2005 with an afterward by Brian Herbert. In it, he mentions that the upcoming Dune 7 novel will complete the Dune series and be the final book. He also mentions that there’s a big secret that will be revealed. His exact words are: “Frank Herbert was working on that project [Dune 7] when he died in 1986, and it would have been the third book in a trilogy that he began with _Heretics of Dune_ and _Chapterhouse: Dune_. In those novels he set up a great mystery, and now, almost two decades after his death, the solution is the most closely guarded secret in science fiction.” Does anyone know what mystery he’s talking about? Did Dune 7 come out yet and what is the solution? I’m curious but if I have to slog through 5 and 6 more books to find out, I don’t think I’ll be able to do it. That was 6 years ago when he wrote that, something must have leaked since, right? I’m not sure if I’m going to read another book or two. I’m pretty certain I’m not going to read 5 more novels to catch up to the series. > [@Grumman](#): > > One of the main reasons the Kwisatz Haderach is so powerful is what he knows (i.e. pretty much everything). It could be that they wanted _him_ to work out the endgame that gets them what they want. They were confident they could essentially control a god just because their breeding program was followed? Seems mighty arrogant of them. What could they have done with a planned Kwisatz Haderach that they couldn’t have done with Paul? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/50 "2011-12-07T03:18:03Z")
Dune 7 (or at least Brian Herbert and Kevin Hackerson’s version of the notes Herbert’s father left behind) was published as two books: _Hunters of Dune_ and _Sandworms of Dune_. Due to my absolutely unbending vow to never read another of the Herbert/Hackerson Dune books, I’ve never read them, but their Wiki synopses sound just as dire as all the rest of the prequels/sequels they’ve done. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/51 "2011-12-07T03:43:58Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Does anyone know what mystery he’s talking about? Did Dune 7 come out yet and what is the solution? I’m curious but if I have to slog through 5 and 6 more books to find out, I don’t think I’ll be able to do it. That was 6 years ago when he wrote that, something must have leaked since, right? > > I’m not sure if I’m going to read another book or two. I’m pretty certain I’m not going to read 5 more novels to catch up to the series. I have not read those books (thankfully), but the specific mystery “revealed” hinges on events four or five books down the line from where you’re reading. So when I tell you it revealed the secret behind the nigh-omnipotent Face Dancers pretending to be gardeners… this will be entirely of no help in answering your question. You don’t have the context to understand it. By the way, at least _Dune Messiah_ and _Children of Dune_ would be worthwhile reads for you. They’re fairly similar to _Dune_. And, really, you’ve only finished part of the story as of _Dune_. _God-Emperor of Dune_ is a severe shift in tone and setting, and can be offputting because of that. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > They were confident they could essentially control a god just because their breeding program was followed? Seems mighty arrogant of them. What could they have done with a planned Kwisatz Haderach that they couldn’t have done with Paul? Yes, the Bene Gesserit were arrogant. _Very_ arrogant. Didn’t that come through, even just with reading _Dune_? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/52 "2011-12-07T03:46:52Z")
I usually include _God-Emperor_, if only because Leto’s sacrifice in _Children of Dune_ doesn’t make a lot of sense until you see the end point of his Golden Path. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/53 "2011-12-07T03:53:04Z")
People consistently underestimate the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/54 "2011-12-07T04:14:39Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Does anyone know what mystery he’s talking about? If I were to guess, it would be what the Honored Matres were running from. > [@](#): > > They were confident they could essentially control a god just because their breeding program was followed? Seems mighty arrogant of them. What could they have done with a planned Kwisatz Haderach that they couldn’t have done with Paul? Raised him right, from birth. Paul was not pleased with the Bene Gesserit, the planned Kwizatz Haderach would’ve been BG all the way. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/55 "2011-12-07T14:33:01Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Raised him right, from birth. Paul was not pleased with the Bene Gesserit, the planned Kwizatz Haderach would’ve been BG all the way. Plus Paul explicitly says he is not the Kwizatz Haderach. My humble opinion is that the KW was supposed to be like a Reverend Mother who could remember male lives, not just female ones. A pretty good goal, but not some kind of game-changing superhuman. Wheras Paul is something else – a spice-and-mentant-training-enabled prescient who can see part of the future and present. Which is pretty superhuman, and somewhat of a game changer (though really in the service of some sort of galactic human cosmic unconsciousness that’s getting horny and wants to get some cross-world lovin’ going on). ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Albert\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Albert_Rose)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/56 "2011-12-13T06:34:07Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Other than the Fremen, who else knows that sandworms make spice? Liet Kynes figures it out in his last scene in _Dune_. > [@](#): > > … there’s a big secret that will be revealed. At least two secrets: 1. Who the great enemy is - who the Matres are running from. 2. Who the Honored Matres themselves are. I enjoyed the last two books. I’ve missed all the prequels, and wasn’t lost at all while reading _Hunters_ and _Sandworms_. My suggestion for the casual, non-obsessive reader would be to read the first three books and then the wikipedia plot summaries for all 8 books. I obsessively read each book twice before moving on to the next book (except for 7 and 8). I’m glad I read them all, and appreciate the philosophical elements, but don’t take those elements too seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/57 "2011-12-13T08:48:33Z")
I always found the specifics of warfare in _Dune_ to be kind of implausible. At the beginning, the Fremen are a scattered band of nomads living on a relatively undeveloped planet, being chased around by the Harkonnen. I’m suppose to believe that after Paul Atreides takes over, they become an army that marches across the universe slaughtering billions? How many Fremen even lived on Arrakis to begin with? Even if they are adept at surviving in a desert enviroment, not all planets (planets!) are entirely composed of desert? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/58 "2011-12-13T18:59:22Z")
> [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](#): > > I always found the specifics of warfare in _Dune_ to be kind of implausible. At the beginning, the Fremen are a scattered band of nomads living on a relatively undeveloped planet, being chased around by the Harkonnen. That’s not _exactly_ accurate. The Fremen were careful to hide their true strength and numbers from the Imperium and all occupiers. In actuality, they outnumbered non-Fremen on Arrakis by 2 to 1 : 10 million Fremen. > [@](#): > > I’m suppose to believe that after Paul Atreides takes over, they become an army that marches across the universe slaughtering billions? Slaughtering billions is easy if you _absolutely_ control space, if most of the population is unarmed peons (typical planetary defence forces are just a couple of 30 000-man legions) and also if your Jihad is contagious. > [@](#): > > How many Fremen even lived on Arrakis to begin with? 10 million. > [@](#): > > Even if they are adept at surviving in a desert enviroment, not all planets (planets!) are entirely composed of desert? :dubious: The Fremen’s deadliness isn’t _just_ in the desert - it’s in their combat skills. There’s a discussion on just this question towards the bottom of [this article](http://dune2k.com/Community/Articles/Warfare), and it’s backed up by the _Dune Cyclopedia_ as far as troop numbers as well. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/59 "2011-12-13T22:10:29Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > As such, to me at least, he never achieves the sort of invincible messiah complex that makes the story hard to separate from existing religious myth. The bad stuff wasn’t just happening to him, it happened to everyone around him and even when he triumphed at the end, his victory is still tainted by the loss of his son. Loss of his son? > [@](#): > > On the same note, is that why Jessica was so against Paul picking up a Fremen wife like Chani? Was she still thinking of the endgame for all Bene Gesserits, that Chani couldn’t bear a superkid and Paul had to go knock up someone of Imperial blood? That seems less like superior lineage and more like simply classism. With the Fremen rivaling the Sardaukar in terms of fighting prowess and toughness, with the spice coursing through their blood, why wouldn’t she think Chani could bear a worthy child? First is the political angle. It’s the same reason Jessica was Duke Leto’s concubine rather than wife. He was leaving room for a political marriage, but that never happened, in part because he loved Jessica so much. Second, the BG long term breeding project involved dedicated and directed of all the key bloodlines for generations to lead up to their Kwisatz Haderach. The Fremen were wild cards from the boonies. If there was any sort of genetic plan still left after Paul, it wouldn’t come from an unknown source, but from the known tools. > [@](#): > > Weird thought: Did Jessica change the Water of Life by drinking it and then spitting it back out? If so, eww… Beats the alternate method of expulsion. 😃 > [@jayjay](#): > > No, Jessica was aware of the potential for Alia being preborn if she engaged in the Water of Life ritual. But she felt she had no choice…the only way to assure safety for her and Paul (and fetus-Alia) was to succeed RM Romallo (the Fremen RM) and fit them into that niche. There’s also the fact she didn’t realize it really was the Water of Life. She thought that the Fremen had been seeded the Bene Gesserit religious story, and the old Reverend Mother was just glommed on to the story. She thought they were going through the motions without knowing what a real Reverend Mother was about. So when she actually was given the water of life, it surprised her, and she made the transformation, but doomed Alia. That was the moment she realized her error, and it was then too late to do anything about it. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > I don’t fault the motivation of the Emperor. Dune sets up humanity at this time to be a paranoid, war-like lot for the most part. But was there ever any indication that Leto was planning on moving against the Emperor? Other than highly trained troops, I didn’t get any impression from the first part of the book when Leto was alive that they wanted to depose the Imperial House at all. To me, it seems the Emperor, through his paranoia, brought all of this on himself There’s no indication that Duke Leto currently had plans, but he’s a power player of a major house, and his troops were a severe advantage. No telling what would have occurred to him as his popularity grew. He could have eventually maneuvered himself into the new Emperor and ousted Shaddam. > [@](#): > > Are those theories actually in the books? It sound a little like retcon by fans to me, but then I haven’t read the other books so I can’t be sure. Why weren’t they confident they could simply train her as she was growing up? And surely given the many sane Reverend Mothers that are cluttering around Alia’s brain, there was also a pretty good chance she be able to control it. In fact, why wouldn’t Alia inherit the control from previous lives as well as their memories? There was no Alia identity that was established. She was a literal baby with no sense of self, and no control of the ancestors. It was a practical certainty she’d be insane, or surrender to the control of an identity that was insane. Which she did. > [@](#): > > This probably requires a bit of speculation, but since Paul turned out to be the Kwisatz Haderach, why did the Reverend Mother Helen Mohiam in one of the later books (I read some spoilers) try to get rid of him? Isn’t Paul what they were waiting for? Paul was not brought up with the full Bene Gesserit traditions, and had not been properly conditioned to the BG cause and mission. His mother was too independent minded, which she passed to Paul, and he had his own mission and own goals, and was not tied to the BG plan for humanity. And yes, he does say he’s not really the KH, that he’s something more/different. The BG had engaged in millennia of human breeding and societal manipulation for their own purpose of establishing a better society. They felt the KH would give them the missing insights that they didn’t have, and allow them to shape humanity for their definition of the better. But Paul didn’t want to play their game, he didn’t give them a vote. He was too busy shepherding the path between failure and Jihad. His upsetting of the power balance and the status quo put the BG at a disadvantage. They couldn’t control human destiny, Paul was. Ergo, he was an obstacle, not a fulfillment. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > From scattered reviews of the 2003 miniseries, I seem to recall that it was more accurate. Just exactly what differences where there between the books and each of these things? I liked the miniseries even though I watched all of it without ever reading Dune, but I think I was too young to really enjoy the movie when I last saw it probably on TV in the 90’s. I only saw the first SciFi miniseries, but it was much more accurate to the plot of the novel. Princess Irulan’s expanded role was to give us a connection to her for the climax at the end to make sense. The Lynch movie kinda had the look and feel of the universe, and kinda matched each scene from the novel, except it had the insertion of the weirding modules, it twisted the description of Baron Harkonnen to the disgusting demon of the film, it invented the stupid “heart plugs”. And the stillsuits should have had head coverings and face masks. The miniseries had a better adaptation of the story, but Duke Leto was greatly miscast (William Hurt acting the scene where Leto finds out about the attempted assassination against Paul, and he plays it sullen and low key - NO! Leto was a dynamic, explosive guy. The Lynch version got that right.) And the Sardaukar uniforms were pretty bizarre. But so were all the hats. But the Lynch version needed Cliff’s Notes while watching it. ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2011, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901/60 "2011-12-14T08:02:06Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > But the Lynch version needed Cliff’s Notes while watching it. And actually came with them, if you saw it when it first opened in theaters! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-finished-dune-the-book-and-i-have-some-questions-spoilers/604901.md?page=4)