# I, For One, Am Sick of Our New Jedi Pimping Overlord (Warning: Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 22, 2005, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940 "2005-05-22T09:44:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/41 "2005-05-23T06:04:42Z")
I was going to start a pit thread about the following, but since it seems like this thread is a catch-all **Episode 3** rantfest, I might as well vent my spleen here– Why Mace Windu is the \*second-\*dumbest character in **Revenge of the Sith:** [spoiler]Mace, ya schmuck! When you’ve found out that the Big Evil Sith Lord Mastermind has been under your nose all this time and disguised as a high-powered government official, blurting out lod your plans to capture the guy _right in front of his favorite Jedi_ (whose loyalties you’re already in doubt about) is a **really stupid thing** to do! Three points for telling Anakin to stay in the Jedi Council Chambers, but minus ten bazillion for opening your big yap in front of the kid. What if he had a microphone on him, for Pete’s sake? What Mace _should_ have done was this: _Mace:_ “Palpatine is the Sith Lord? Great work, Anakin! I’m going to recommend you for full Jedi Masterhood next week for this! Hey, you’ve been working hard, why don’t you go celebrate nad unwind. Here, I’ve got a pair of tickets to the Outer Rim to see Eccentrica Gallumbits, the Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon Six. The show’s in three hours, you can catch it if you take the next shuttle out – grab a friend and go have a great time, my treat!” _Anakin:_ “Thanks, Master Windu! I take back half the stuff I’ve ever said about you! Bye!” _Mace:_ (pause) “Is he gone? Great. Grab every Jedi we’ve got, w’re gonna go kick some Sith ass. Don’t limit me to the three wusses we have who will fold up like a card table in the first ten seconds, I want _everyone_ we’ve got for this! Hell, grab a few of the brighter students, too – it won’t hurt to have some extra backup for this one. Maybe a sniper or three…”[/spoiler] And in case you’re wondering, Anakin Skywalker is the \*first-\*dumbest character in **Revenge of the Sith:** [spoiler]Anakin, you’ve just found out that your pal Palpatine is secretly the Big Bad Evil Secret Dark Sith Lord everyone’s been looking for, and that he’s been lying to you the whole time about being a helpless innocent jovial little aw-shucks politician. Why the _fuck_ didn’t you immediately become suspicious about _everything else_ he’s told you before? If he’s been skillfully lying about his identity all this time, it’s _possible_ that he could have been lying about _other stuff_ as well! Could you imagine if this scene had played out? _Anakin:_ “My lord, I’ve betrayed my fellow Jedi and slaughtered my friends, just as you ordered. Will you now teach me the dark secrets of eternal life so I may save my hotchie mama?” _Palpatine:_ “‘Dark secrets of eternal life’? You _believed_ that crazy-ass bullshit? Man, you’re more gullible than I thought! There’s no such secret, I was just jerking your chain around, ya idiot! _Psyche!_”[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Keapon\_Laffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e274bd/32.png) [@Keapon\_Laffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keapon_Laffin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/42 "2005-05-23T07:36:28Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Of course, Amadala’s death was wrong as well. If you’ll recall in RotJ, Leia _remembered_ her mother, but Luke didn’t. So how the fuck Amadala could die in child birth is beyond me. Didn’t read the whole thread. Just wanted to answer this one. Obviously Leia was remembering Organa’s wife as her mother. She would have no idea who her “real” mother was. IMO, the best thing about the movie was how Lucas didn’t have to explain every single detail. ---
**Author:** ![Tarrsk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/97f17d/32.png) [@Tarrsk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarrsk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/43 "2005-05-23T08:23:22Z")
> [@Keapon Laffin](#): > > Didn’t read the whole thread. Just wanted to answer this one. > Obviously Leia was remembering Organa’s wife as her mother. > She would have no idea who her “real” mother was. Wrong. Luke specifically asks her about her “real” mother, implying that they know she was adopted. It’s a continuity error. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/44 "2005-05-23T08:50:30Z")
Just gotta say, **Larry Mudd** , you’ve echoed my thoughts perfectly. _ **ROTS** _ was, for me, a great _Star Wars_ film. I don’t care if it didn’t work for others, but when they start telling me that a film I (and a lot of other people) enjoyed “sucked” unequivocably, of course that’s going to piss me off a bit. Especially when the complaints can typically be summarised as “It was too much of a _Star Wars_ film!” It’s like complaining that _Sleepless in Seatle_ had too much romance and not enough action. And what’s with people wishing Lucas would die (even in jest)??? That is fucked up. He’s a good man who doesn’t deserve shit like that. I don’t care how bad you think his movies are. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/45 "2005-05-23T09:21:22Z")
I just want to say that I disagree for 95% with the OP. I thought this was absolutely the best one of this trilogy. The acting and dialogue was at least 300% better than in _TPM_ and _AotC_. Now one thing I do agree with is the upgrades they gave R2D2. What the hell was up with that? I didn’t like the boosters he suddenly has in _AotC_, but could accept that. Maybe they broke and nobody ever cared to fix them. But now he had a whole boatload of gadgets, with would make **Batman** look like somebody with a Swiss army-knife. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/46 "2005-05-23T10:06:38Z")
I continue to fail to understand how anyone can criticise any Star Wars movie to have any worse dialogue or cheesiness than any other Star Wars movie. Every single one of them are filled to overflowing with tinny melodramatic absurdities - but that’s part of what makes them so fun. The dialogue in ROTS is no worse than any of the other films, yes even including _The Empire Strikes Back_. ---
**Author:** ![flodnak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/838e76/32.png) [@flodnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flodnak)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/47 "2005-05-23T10:25:58Z")
I have to say, _Revenge of the Sith_ didn’t move me the way _Star Wars_ did. But I’m open to the possibility that the fact that I am no longer seven years old had something to do with it 😛 I liked it. Wooden acting, cheesy script, major plot holes. Lush special effects, sword fighting, Good and Evil with little blinking neon signs over their heads in case you missed anything, a kick ass score, and little touches of goofy humor. It’s Star Wars! I might actually rent Episodes I and II now, since I’ve never seen them. Did I say that? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/48 "2005-05-23T11:54:58Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > The reason why I think it would be better for the Empire to have been far older than it turns out to be is that a galaxy is a big place, and it’s going to take a long time for people to even know that they’ve now got an emperor, muchless get so pissed off at him that they want to overthrow him. …but there is instantaneous (if often very static-ridden) communication and travel from the core to the rim takes a few days at most, hours at best. I think the Empire is functionally the size of a large nation, not the equivalent of the Roman or even British Empire. What do you make of this: > [@](#): > > BEN: Your father’s lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or as random as a blaster… An elegant weapon for a more civilized age. For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire. > Luke:How did my father die? > Ben:A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. See if you can follow this: The Jedi were the guardians of order in the Republic - not the Empire. Luke’s father was a Jedi. Luke’s father was killed when the Jedi were hunted down by the Empire and Vader. Luke is only 20 at most The only logical leap required is to assume that Luke’s father wasn’t some holdout, bnut was hunted down along with all the other Jedi. This must have happened when Republic became Empire. That gives us the 20-year timeframe. No slow decay is implied (well, other than the internal corruption in the still-existant Republic - the novelization mentions this). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/49 "2005-05-23T14:12:01Z")
> [@Lobot](#): > > And what’s with people wishing Lucas would die (even in jest)??? That is fucked up. He’s a good man who doesn’t deserve shit like that. I don’t care how bad you think his movies are. Die: no. Be banned by Special Act of Congress from ever writing or directing another movie: Hell yes. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Keapon\_Laffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e274bd/32.png) [@Keapon\_Laffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keapon_Laffin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/50 "2005-05-23T14:55:05Z")
> [@Tarrsk](#): > > Wrong. Luke specifically asks her about her “real” mother, implying that they know she was adopted. It’s a continuity error. Wrong? Wrong?? You obviously have not watched ROTJ enough times. Where does it say that he was asking about her real mother?? [Quoted straight from IMDB] Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother? Princess Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young. Luke: What do you remember? Princess Leia: Just… images really. Feelings. Luke: Tell me. Princess Leia: She was… very beautiful. Kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this? Luke: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her. So point out to me again where it says “real” mother?? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/51 "2005-05-23T14:58:18Z")
Right here, numbnuts. > [@Keapon Laffin](#): > > Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother? ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Sparky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@Master\_Sparky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Sparky)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/52 "2005-05-23T15:45:06Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > I found the dialog to be atrocious, I didn’t give a rat’s ass about any of the characters, I thought the acting was flat (except for Ewan MacGregor’s), and there were some massive plot holes that I just couldn’t ignore. It was all I could do to keep from MST3King the damn thing. Atrocious dialog? I was pleased to see that not only was the atrocious dialog at a minimum here, but the actors were at a higher level of work and actually minimized much of it. Hayden especially surprised me with how much more comfortable he seemed in the role. Same with Natalie, although she was still the weakest actor of the cast. Massive plot holes? Dude, it’s _Star Wars_. I’d hope after six movies, you’d be getting that by now. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > The first thing that annoyed me was the giant space battle at the beginning. I kept watching and thinking, “This is just way too much like the stuff in RotJ for my taste.” Then there was the bit when they were reentering the atmosphere in General Grevious’s ship. When the fire ships showed up and started spraying water on the ship, I was like, “No fuckin’ way.” What would you have preferred? Clone troopers throwing water balloons? Perhaps R2 could have plugged into the ship’s computer and executed a stop/drop/roll maneuver upon landing? > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Next, came the bit with the Wookies. I had hoped that the Wookies would have had a role similar to the Ewoks in RotJ, but instead, they were just kind of stuck in there, and didn’t really seem to do a whole helluvalot. Having Wookies in the film gave us a chance to see their home planet of Kashyyyk, gaze in awe at how tall those bastards tower over Yoda, and give Lucas a chance to crank out more action figures. Besides, wasn’t it _just adorable_ watching Yoda scamper up Chewie’s arm after he beheaded the Clone troopers? Awww! > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > I didn’t get the bit about Anakin having so much respect for Palpatine or wanting to go over to the “Dark Side” either. And for some reason, the mere mention of the Dark Side in this film just struck me as cheesy as hell. Palpatine was really Anakin’s only confidant. Oh, sure, there was Obi-Wan, but he was part of the Jedi Council, and nobody on the Jedi Council wanted to give respect to Anakin. Okay, so he’s a little arrogant and impatient – still, he’s got the skillz to pay da billz, does he not? So when the Council shuns him at every opportunity (and let’s face it – Mace Windu especially couldn’t stand him) he’s got Palpatine to reassure him, to let him know how powerful he truly is. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Mace Windu’s death flat out sucked as well, I thought. Him getting his hand cut off annoyed the piss out of me, and him battling Palpatine, struck me as lame, the way it went down, even if you figure Palpatine was playing that he was too weak to fight off Mace just to get Anakin to turn to the Dark Side. (And Palpatine’s acting went south after this fight.) I also just can’t buy that Yoda would misinterpret a prophecy. Mace’s death had me cheering over my Reese’s Pieces. Screw that arrogant Jedi bastard and his fellow elitist pricks. Lame? Having your arm cut off, fried by lightning, then tossed across the city of Coruscant like a rag doll is a lame death? Good Lord. And think about this, dude – somebody down on the streets of Coruscant has a pretty damn nice purple lightsaber now. Now, if they’re smart, they’ll put it up on eBay: L@@K! PURPLE LIGHTSABER ONE OF A KIND, WORKS, NO RESERVE! Goodbye, slums of Coruscant. Hello, deluxe apartment in the sky (now available, as the previous owner is recently deceased.) > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > When Obi Wan went to the planet where Gen. Grevious was holed up, I was a bit bothered by the guy telling Obi Wan that they were being held hostage, but I kind of let that slide, figuring that it would be too difficult for Lucas to work out the scene better, given the allotted time of the movie. Still, I couldn’t help but notice that when Obi Wan climbed out of the lake, he was wearing a watch which didn’t appear in any other scene in the movie. . . If you had a coughing, wheezing 4-armed alien/droid hybrid thingy holding you hostage, would you not say something to a Jedi stopping by for a bit o’ gas and a pecan nut log? I’d think you’d be counting your lucky stars that the Circle K on the previous planet was closed. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > The number of gadgets that R2 sprung out bothered me as well, but what really tore it for me, was the lava planet sequence. Now, I’ve been around stuff that’s as hot as lava, and neither Obi Wan or Anakin were sweating very much. Forget about the physical exertion that the two guys were going through, just standing around stuff that’s 3000F+ degrees is enough to get you dripping wet. Just a few minutes of standing around that stuff is enough to make you look like you just stepped out of a shower, when you factor in the amount of physical exertion (and mental, remember when Yoda raised up the X-Wing in ESB, he was pretty tuckered out) both Obi Wan and Anakin should have been **drenched** , instead, they had a few drops on them, and don’t hand me any of that Jedi mind control crap, you **have** to shed heat under those circumstances or your brain will bake. Aw, give R2 some love! He’s got gadgets, and he’s proud of them. By the way, that was not oil that he used on the Super Battle Droids near the beginning of the film. No, the little guy was scared, and that, my friends, was droidarrhea. Just so happens it’s flammable. As far as all your questions about the 3000+ degree lava and lack of sweat – don’t you know that CGI lava has no heat? It’s like the Diet Coke of lava. No calories, no heat, no harm, no foul. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Then there’s Obi Wan talking about Palpatine being emperor. Obi Wan was pretty much out of the loop as to what Palpatine was doing, so it just struck me as totally wrong for him to refer to Palpatine that way. Certainly, Obi Wan knew that Palpatine was up to know good, but referring to the specific title of emperor was a bit much, IMHO. He knew he was emperor because, way back in elementary school, Palpatine had Obi Wan pass a note for him to a cute Gungan a few rows back. It said “Do you like me? Check one: \_\_\_ Yesa! \_\_\_\_ Nosa! --Signed, Palpatine the Emperor.” See, even as a kid, Palpatine knew he’d be emperor some day. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Of course, Amadala’s death was wrong as well. If you’ll recall in RotJ, Leia _remembered_ her mother, but Luke didn’t. So how the fuck Amadala could die in child birth is beyond me. I was expecting they’d get Amidala on board, only to have a chestburster rip through, setting up “Star Wars vs. Aliens,” but I was wrong. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Oh, and I should mention that when Anakin knelt before Palpatine, all I could think about was the cock sucking scene in _Team America: World Police_. I’ve not seen _Team America: World Police_, but I’m glad I don’t think about fellatio every time a man kneels in front of another man! > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Finally, when Anakin was put into the Vader suit and tore his restraints, I kept waiting for him to say, “Ppputtiin’ onnnn the rrrrittttzzz.” ala Peter Boyle in _Young Frankenstein._ Also, could someone explain to me what the bloody hell was the point in them building the Death Star? In _Star Wars_, the impression is given that the Empire has decided to build the thing in order to crush the Rebellion once and for all. Well, in TPM and AotC, it’s pretty much spelled out that the Rebellion is created by Palpatine in order for him to seize power, then in RotS he has the Rebellion shut down, so WTF do they _need_ a Death Star? Plus, it takes them nearly 20 years to build the thing, but the Death Star Mark II only takes from ANH to RotJ to become operational. WTF? Dude, they were building the Death Star because it’s fucking COOL! They were building it as the ultimate enforcement for the new Galactic Empire. Yeah, it took nearly 20 years to build the damned thing because Home Depot had it backordered. Good thing the Empire was willing to buy it plain vanilla, as custom modifications (choice of laser blast color, extendable middle finger, etc.) would have required another good 20 or 30 years. Now, Death Star II, yeah, of course that went quicker because computer technology had greatly increased (did you know DS II had Intel Inside?), Wal-Mart began carrying them in stock at a cheaper price (and falling every day!), and they eliminated the building of all restrooms and related facilities to speed up construction. It was part of the Emperor’s new “Use the Force – Hold It” campaign. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Now, I admit that when I first saw SW, I always pictured the Empire as being like Rome: A society which had started out as a republic, but then became an empire, even though vestiges of the original republic still remained. These were eliminated gradually over time, and the emperor was someone like Caligua, who’d inherited the throne and was completely mad. Vader was the member of a royal house that had gained ascendancy under the new emperor. I was willing to give Lucas the benefit of the doubt about it being a recent thing, until the latest film, that just crapped on it for me. I always pictured the Empire as a lot like high school. Except with a lot less cute cheerleaders and a hell of a lot more droids and storm troopers. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > In looking back, though, I suppose I really shouldn’t be surprised. I always thought of Yoda as being akin to the martial arts masters whom nobody ever fucked with, because they were simply _too good._ You know, the kind of guy who never fights because everyone knows that they’ll get their ass kicked by him, and he trains his students solely in the mental discipline needed to become a Jedi (which, of course, like samurai, makes them kick ass fighters), so for Yoda to fight Count Dooku, is just wrong, IMHO. Of course, it’s Lucas’s “vision,” but there were cues which just never seemed to be followed up. Perhaps, I was just expecting too much out of the franchise, I don’t know. Wait until you see Yoda join Pepsi to fight Coca-Cola. Oh, you’re gonna _love_ it. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/53 "2005-05-23T16:00:09Z")
> [@Electronic Chaos](#): > > The Wookies end up getting enslaved, or at least Chewbacca does. He works on a spice (Star Wars name for drug) mine on Kessel, where Han Solo frees him. Thus, Chewbacca owes a life debt to Han, and the rest is history So that’s the secret! the only way the new Star Wars movies _don’t_ stink is if you spend hours and hours reading lots of paperbacks and online “expanded universe” junk to answer all the contradictions and fill the “flaming plot holes” (thanks **Tuckerfan** I love that phrase) I guess you all get a no-prize. Funny, I remember when a good movie could stand on it’s own. I remember one being released in 1977 that rocked my world. This new one was boring and embarrassing, and I’ve seen it twice, so I pit myself. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/54 "2005-05-23T16:11:34Z")
How does not knowing that information create a plot hole? ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/55 "2005-05-23T16:14:49Z")
Besides, I can’t stand most of the EU, and I think ROTS is right up there with _Star Wars_ and _Empire_. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/56 "2005-05-23T17:54:46Z")
> [@Lobot](#): > > How does not knowing that information create a plot hole? I don’t know, it just seems that when I bring up a glaring plot hole, the typical response is “Oh, well in the EU cartoon-novelization website they explain that.” Do you require a list of plotholes? ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/57 "2005-05-23T18:05:45Z")
Yes. Please go see the movie a third time to compile your list of plot holes. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/58 "2005-05-23T19:12:32Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > I don’t know, it just seems that when I bring up a glaring plot hole, the typical response is “Oh, well in the EU cartoon-novelization website they explain that.” > > Do you require a list of plotholes? I think there’s a difference between something where there’s a clear contradiction, and something that’s just left unspecified. In ROTS, Chewbacca seems to be an assistant military leader on Kashyyk. In ANH, he’s a smuggler’s buddy. Is that a PLOT HOLE? No, it’s clear that various things happen between those two movies. The fact that we don’t know what they are doesn’t make it a PLOT HOLE. The Leia-remembering-her-mother things is more of a plot hole… someone who watched the episodes in chronological order, 1-6, would be VERY confused when that scene showed up. Certainly, theories can be proposed that would explain it, but just from watching the movies, we don’t really know what happened. Nonetheless, that’s a rather tangential, minor, issue. If, on the other hand, for instance, we saw Obi Wan get killed at the end of ROTS, and we knew he was alive in ANH, but you had to read the EU novels to find out that there was cloning involved, THAT would be a definite problem. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/59 "2005-05-23T19:19:24Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > Yes. Please go see the movie a third time to compile your list of plot holes. [James Earl Jones] “NOOOOOOOOO!!!” [/James Earl Jones] ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-for-one-am-sick-of-our-new-jedi-pimping-overlord-warning-spoilers/304940/60 "2005-05-23T20:13:48Z")
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