# I foresee an extremely awkward Thanksgiving for the Whalens of Tulsa **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 14, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011 "2008-08-14T17:44:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/1 "2008-08-14T17:44:33Z")
Here’s the [link](http://newsok.com/dog-sex-tapes-lead-to-arrests/article/3262499) to the article in question. There are no graphic images in the article, but given that the headline is “Dog Sex Tapes Lead to Arrest,” you may not wish to read it at work. You can read more about it on the [Smoking Gun](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0808081dogs2.html), but I urge you not to Google it at work. In summary: a young man happened upon videotapes of his mother emulating Leda of Sparta with her three pet dogs. Vomiting ensued. He turned her in to the local constabulary and is presumably seeking the services of [Lacuna Inc.](http://www.eternalsunshine.com/main.html?section=trailer). I’ll leave the jokes to the youngsters. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/2 "2008-08-14T19:02:39Z")
Who the hell turns his mom in for beastiality? Has the guy never heard of internet blackmail? ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/3 "2008-08-14T19:16:19Z")
As you may expect, this bizarre story has received a lot of attention here in Tulsa. The only good news associated with the story is that two of the dogs are now in good hands at Best Friends, the largest animal sanctuary in the US. Initially the dogs were going to be killed, since some nitwit decided that they were “rape dogs,” but saner minds prevailed. Bestiality videos are not my thing, but I can’t help wondering: who would want to see a video of dogs having sex with such an unattractive woman? Is her ugliness part of the thrill? ---
**Author:** ![Caricci](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85f322/32.png) [@Caricci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caricci)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/4 "2008-08-14T19:16:40Z")
I like that the guy who was also arrested was named Donald ROY SIEGFRIED. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/5 "2008-08-14T19:19:32Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] Initially the dogs were going to be killed, since some nitwit decided that they were “rape dogs,” but saner minds prevailed. [/QUOTE] I was going to say… ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/6 "2008-08-14T19:28:34Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] Bestiality videos are not my thing, but I can’t help wondering: who would want to see a video of dogs having sex with such an unattractive woman? Is her ugliness part of the thrill? [/QUOTE] Just a WAG here. This really isn’t my thing either. But, I’m guessing if she were more attractive, she’d be doing more mainstream porn. I guess the dogs and beastiality fans don’t care what she looks like. ::throws up in mouth a little:: ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/7 "2008-08-14T19:30:53Z")
Oh, for fuck’s sake. I’m not a fan of bestiality, but who in the hell\* was she hurting with this? “Crime against nature,” indeed. Isn’t that what they used to call black men having sex with white women? \*Okay, okay, maybe her grown son, poor thing. If anything, she should be charged with being an idiot for not securing the tapes better. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/8 "2008-08-14T19:38:37Z")
Sounds like she was busy! > [@](#): > > …Whalen turned over Sixty (60) VHS cassette tapes, One hundred seven (107) DVD’s one (1) 8mm cassette tape, a camera, tripod, and one sexual device… ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/9 "2008-08-14T19:40:07Z")
Working like a dog… ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/10 "2008-08-14T19:49:02Z")
totally nude or wearing a Mother Hubbard? ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/11 "2008-08-14T19:51:09Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] As you may expect, this bizarre story has received a lot of attention here in Tulsa. The only good news associated with the story is that two of the dogs are now in good hands at Best Friends, the largest animal sanctuary in the US. Initially the dogs were going to be killed, since some nitwit decided that they were “rape dogs,” but saner minds prevailed. [/QUOTE] Geez, if they can leave the trained killer Michael Vick dogs alive, then these guys need to be left alive. ---
**Author:** ![Savannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/12 "2008-08-14T19:51:57Z")
What a bitch. Er, her and her human partner. What a pair. Seriously, though… I’m opposed to non-consenual sex. Poor dogs; they must be very confused about what their role is regarding humans. As for the son… just how many gallons of brain bleach will he be needing? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/13 "2008-08-14T20:18:17Z")
[QUOTE=Hypno-Toad] Working like a dog… [/QUOTE] it’s a dog’s life… Maybe she should have let sleeping dogs lie. Ok, I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/14 "2008-08-14T20:26:04Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] Bestiality videos are not my thing, but I can’t help wondering: who would want to see a video of dogs having sex with such an unattractive woman? Is her ugliness part of the thrill? [/QUOTE] I dunno, I think that’s one of the weirder questions you could ask in this situation. I’m still on, “Why would she have sex with her dogs? Or anyone’s dogs?” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/15 "2008-08-14T20:35:58Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] Just a WAG here. [/QUOTE] _snerk_ ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/16 "2008-08-14T20:38:23Z")
[QUOTE=Telperien] “Why would she have sex with her dogs? Or anyone’s dogs?” [/QUOTE] From what I have read in the local news, it appears that the videos were sold to bestiality porn collectors. Some people will do damn near anything for money. ---
**Author:** ![Mahna\_Mahna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@Mahna\_Mahna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahna_Mahna)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/17 "2008-08-14T21:14:45Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] Oh, for fuck’s sake. I’m not a fan of bestiality, but who in the hell\* was she hurting with this? “Crime against nature,” indeed. Isn’t that what they used to call black men having sex with white women? [/QUOTE] Consent. Unless this couple employed the services of a dog whisperer, I’m guessing they weren’t in a position (_snerk_) to see if Fido was on board. Even if a man is considered to be chattel/property under the law, rather than a human being, he’s at least able to say no and be understood. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/18 "2008-08-14T21:20:06Z")
[QUOTE=Mahna Mahna] Consent. Unless this couple employed the services of a dog whisperer, I’m guessing they weren’t in a position (_snerk_) to see if Fido was on board. Even if a man is considered to be chattel/property under the law, rather than a human being, he’s at least able to say no and be understood. [/QUOTE] I honestly don’t understand why there is any legal standing to what the dogs “want” or "don’t want,’ given that we’re allowed to kill them and exploit them in other ways if we wish. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/19 "2008-08-14T21:31:00Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] Bestiality videos are not my thing, but I can’t help wondering: who would want to see a video of dogs having sex with such an unattractive woman? [/QUOTE] Well, what about the dogs? Were _they_ hot? ---
**Author:** ![Mahna\_Mahna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@Mahna\_Mahna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahna_Mahna)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/20 "2008-08-14T21:43:06Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] I honestly don’t understand why there is any legal standing to what the dogs “want” or "don’t want,’ given that we’re allowed to kill them and exploit them in other ways if we wish. [/QUOTE] Are you serious? Are you saying that because we train dogs to herd sheep or lead the blind without their consent, it’s perfectly acceptable that we could train them to fight each other on command or provide sexual services to their owners? Sorry, not buying it. What she did was clear-cut animal abuse. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011.md?page=2)