# I foresee an extremely awkward Thanksgiving for the Whalens of Tulsa **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 14, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011 "2008-08-14T17:44:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ShermanAter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ShermanAter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShermanAter)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/21 "2008-08-14T21:43:27Z")
How embarrassing for her, being _fingered_ by her own son. :o d&r ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/22 "2008-08-14T21:47:01Z")
[QUOTE=Mahna Mahna] Are you serious? Are you saying that because we train dogs to herd sheep or lead the blind without their consent, it’s perfectly acceptable that we could train them to fight each other on command or provide sexual services to their owners? Sorry, not buying it. What she did was clear-cut animal abuse. [/QUOTE] Well, I find the prospect quite disgusting for myself (both the fighting and the fucking), but given that we EAT animals, it’s hard for me to argue that those who would FUCK them are doing anything worse. The fucking is far, far more disgusting, but disgusting =/ appropriate for the government to ban. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/23 "2008-08-14T22:01:43Z")
Wait…Maclean Stevenson faked his death, went through really lousy sex-reassignment surgery and began a life as a bestiality porn star in Tulsa? Wow…you think you know someone from watching them on tv… ---
**Author:** ![DooWahDiddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9bcb4/32.png) [@DooWahDiddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DooWahDiddy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/24 "2008-08-15T00:39:09Z")
Christ, after all the work I’ve done convincing New Yorkers that Oklahomans can be normal… ---
**Author:** ![greatshakes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/58956e/32.png) [@greatshakes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greatshakes)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/25 "2008-08-15T03:56:30Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] As you may expect, this bizarre story has received a lot of attention here in Tulsa. The only good news associated with the story is that two of the dogs are now in good hands at Best Friends, the largest animal sanctuary in the US. Initially the dogs were going to be killed, since some nitwit decided that they were “rape dogs,” but saner minds prevailed. Bestiality videos are not my thing, but I can’t help wondering: who would want to see a video of dogs having sex with such an unattractive woman? Is her ugliness part of the thrill? [/QUOTE] Did I miss it, or am I the first one to say that she was a real dog? ---
**Author:** ![tesseract](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@tesseract](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tesseract)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/26 "2008-08-15T05:48:27Z")
Wow, I just read on the Smoking Gun that she rejected a plea because she would have had to register as a sex offender! I’m not sure how I feel about that. What do you guys think? ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/27 "2008-08-15T05:55:22Z")
You all must be awfully sheltered. Have none of you ever been young, in the military, drunk and overseas? The kid is a punk for ratting the mom without talking to her about it… In 1961 in Seattle, WA. On the Olympic grounds near the Space Needle were some exotic bars. We heard about one special one and sure nuff, on the bar, a female human took on a donkey. All the way. The donkey looked like he was enjoying it. I never heard that it was ever raided and all the local ARMY guys knew it was there. What some people do to each other is way worse than any bestiality… There was this one well endowed gal with four tassels… She had talent… \< VEG \> YMMV ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/28 "2008-08-15T06:26:01Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] Just a WAG here. [/QUOTE] Hee hee. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/29 "2008-08-15T06:42:13Z")
[QUOTE=GusNSpot] In 1961 in Seattle, WA. On the Olympic grounds near the Space Needle were some exotic bars. We heard about one special one and sure nuff, on the bar, a female human took on a donkey. All the way. The donkey looked like he was enjoying it. I never heard that it was ever raided and all the local ARMY guys knew it was there. [/QUOTE] I would not dream of doubting you, since you saw this first hand. But I can tell you the legendary donkey show in Juarez, Mexico, does not exist. In my wild and crazy youth, a friend and I set off in a fruitless search for it. At one point, we enlisted the aid of a cab driver who assured us he could take us to it. But then he kept taking us to regular bars where there clearly was no donkey show, but he seemed to be getting a free drink and possibly a commission for taking us there. Each time, we’d tell him, “No, no, you don’t understand. We want the donkey show.” And he’d faithfully reply, “OH! The _donkey_ show! Yes, I can take you there,” before taking us to yet another bar with no donkey. We eventually figured out he was yanking our chain and that it was not a language miscommunication. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanTigerTamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@SuntanTigerTamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanTigerTamer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/30 "2008-08-15T06:48:21Z")
How Healthy Is Your Dog? Your Dog Has Joint Pain? Vomiting Dogs & More! HAHAHA! The Google Ads have done it again! ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/31 "2008-08-15T06:52:27Z")
I am actually very grateful that there are people like Mrs. Whalen. Whenever I start worrying that maybe _I’m_ a little odd, I think of them. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/32 "2008-08-15T09:54:53Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] At one point, we enlisted the aid of a cab driver who assured us he could take us to it. But then he kept taking us to regular bars where there clearly was no donkey show, but he seemed to be getting a free drink and possibly a commission for taking us there. Each time, we’d tell him, “No, no, you don’t understand. We want the donkey show.” And he’d faithfully reply, “OH! The _donkey_ show! Yes, I can take you there,” before taking us to yet another bar with no donkey. We eventually figured out he was yanking our chain and that it was not a language miscommunication. [/QUOTE] Oh, there was a donkey show. You were in it. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/33 "2008-08-15T11:16:57Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Oh, there was a donkey show. You were in it. [/QUOTE] Haha! You’re right! And what a fine pair of goodwill ambassadors we were, too, for our country. A couple of punk gringos wandering the streets in search of a local lass willing to get it on with livestock. But then, Juarez is Juarez. 😃 But back to the linked story. At the end, it mentions the authorities are considering putting down the dogs. Based on the lady’s photo, if there were video evidence of me and her together, I’d want to be put to sleep too, but I’m thinking maybe the dogs are not the ones who should be put down here. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/34 "2008-08-15T12:07:11Z")
The worst part is that she’s not allowed on the furniture anymore. Do you think the judge will whack her with a rolled up newspaper? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/35 "2008-08-15T16:44:28Z")
[QUOTE=Mahna Mahna] Are you serious? Are you saying that because we train dogs to herd sheep or lead the blind without their consent, it’s perfectly acceptable that we could train them to fight each other on command or provide sexual services to their owners? Sorry, not buying it. What she did was clear-cut animal abuse. [/QUOTE] Well, the fighting’s clear cut, 'cos the poor creatures get physically hurt, but the other, leaving aside the part about being squicked-out to infinity, not so much. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/36 "2008-08-15T16:50:31Z")
[QUOTE=Inigo Montoya] Who the hell turns his mom in for beastiality? [/QUOTE] Maybe [Fedor Jeftichew?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Jeftichew) ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/37 "2008-08-15T17:13:02Z")
[QUOTE=Mahna Mahna] Consent. Unless this couple employed the services of a dog whisperer, I’m guessing they weren’t in a position (_snerk_) to see if Fido was on board. Even if a man is considered to be chattel/property under the law, rather than a human being, he’s at least able to say no and be understood. [/QUOTE] I’m not in any way condoning this, and the idea is revolting to me. I haven’t even looked at the linked article. However, I would assume the woman was the one getting penetrated (the image of her wearing a strap-on is too much to even consider…) This means that the animal(s) would be erect, and doesn’t that imply consent in some way? ---
**Author:** ![Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tastes_of_chocolate/32/3232_2.png) [@Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tastes_of_Chocolate)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/38 "2008-08-15T17:38:53Z")
[QUOTE=Mahna Mahna] Are you serious? Are you saying that because we train dogs to herd sheep or lead the blind without their consent, it’s perfectly acceptable that we could train them to fight each other on command or provide sexual services to their owners? Sorry, not buying it. What she did was clear-cut animal abuse. [/QUOTE] Because mules really enjoy hauling plows and tourists. Draft horses pulled the borax trains for fun. Canaries were asked if they wanted to be taken into coalmines, and chickens look forward to the day they become chicken patties. Do I want to watch bestiality porn? Nope. I don’t even really want to think about it. Is it animal abuse? Let me ask it this way, would you rather be Fido, or a pig raised for pork chops? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/39 "2008-08-15T17:39:54Z")
[QUOTE=Southern Yankee] I’m not in any way condoning this, and the idea is revolting to me. I haven’t even looked at the linked article. However, I would assume the woman was the one getting penetrated (the image of her wearing a strap-on is too much to even consider…) This means that the animal(s) would be erect, and doesn’t that imply consent in some way? [/QUOTE] No, otherwise male humans couldn’t be raped by a woman. Erection is an involuntary physical response. It is not in any way dependent on the consent of the owner of the penis. But all that aside, those dogs could be all but begging for some human female tail, and the fact that they’re DOGS, and therefore not legally capable of consent, means that they did not give consent. They cannot give consent. They are not human. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011/40 "2008-08-15T18:04:57Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] No, otherwise male humans couldn’t be raped by a woman. Erection is an involuntary physical response. It is not in any way dependent on the consent of the owner of the penis. But all that aside, those dogs could be all but begging for some human female tail, and the fact that they’re DOGS, and therefore not legally capable of consent, means that they did not give consent. They cannot give consent. They are not human. [/QUOTE] I disagree. Unless they were forced somehow to have sex with this woman (and seeing her picture, I have to say that _I_ would have to be forced to have sex with her, and we’re at least marginally the same species), if she takes off her clothes and bends over, and they hop aboard and do their thing (freely and without coercion), then the issue of consent doesn’t enter into it. Now human male to animal female is a different story… Also SEX ITSELF is an involuntary physical response amongst all animals except humans. A male dog presented with a female in heat can no more not try to fuck her than he could decide not to drink when he’s thirsty. It’s part of being an animal. I find the whole thing disgusting myself, but that’s no reason to start anthropomorphizing the dogs in question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-foresee-an-extremely-awkward-thanksgiving-for-the-whalens-of-tulsa/460011.md?page=3)