# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/181 "2018-01-19T20:52:14Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I would say I’m sympathetic, but the fact is that I’m not. True. You’re not the least bit likeable. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/182 "2018-01-19T20:54:12Z")
That’s not a bad response from you, have to give you a point there. You’re making progress. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/183 "2018-01-19T21:14:23Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I would say I’m sympathetic, but the fact is that I’m not. > I don’t think so. > I don’t object to the laughing part. It’s the “simply trolling the liberals for the lol’s, harming the country and it’s people” part. You can claim that if you want, but asserting that I meant that has no basis. Then what is it that you are laughing at? That liberals are concerned about the future of our country? That liberals are concerned for the future of many of the more vulnerable citizens and residents of our country? That liberals are concerned about how ignoring the environment may come and bite us in the ass? I mean, there are two types of liberals that are funny, comedians, and people that are futilely trying to protect the country, its people and its environment from the damage being done by conservatives. You said that you aren’t laughing at the first, so, what does that leave us? When Democrats were in charge, I never laughed at conservatives for trying to prevent the ACA from being passed. I disagreed with them, and fought against them, but I didn’t laugh at them because I was making the things that they were striving for out of reach. If you want people to not think that “laugh at liberals” is not you getting schadenfreudian pleasure out of the pain and dismay that liberals are feeling due to the damages that are being done to the fabric of our society, then articulate what it is about liberals you find so damn funny. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/184 "2018-01-19T21:16:49Z")
While I think **HD** is mostly a troll, I’ll defend **F-P** a bit – I sometimes find him obnoxious and pedantic in political threads, but he took the time to provide some thoughtful and useful information in threads I started about finding a new HVAC unit and on real estate investment. I think he’s a good contributor to the board, in general. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/185 "2018-01-19T21:26:23Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Everyone has their own thing. You do yours and I’ll do mine. > > … Just for the record, I wasn’t offering to do it for you. You’ll have to find it and figure out how to work it all on your own. If you have problems, try this site: [conservativestickuptheass.com](http://conservativestickuptheass.com). If the above link doesn’t work, take the stick out of your ass and try again. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/186 "2018-01-19T21:32:00Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Just for the record, I wasn’t offering to do it for you. You’ll have to find it and figure out how to work it all on your own. Or I could just watch your webcam … ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/187 "2018-01-19T21:36:13Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Or I could just watch your webcam … You wanna see my scrotum pole huh? You’d never feel like a man again if you did. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/188 "2018-01-20T12:16:16Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Or you can watch videos of the Oklahoma City bombing and have a real laugh riot. Recently I learned, via **HurricaneDitka** himself, that this murder of 168 people was not entirely unreasonable. Certainly not to be compared with the heinousness of the Antifa terrorists who tossed stones, _unreasonably_, toward Nazis — Nazis merely exercising their God-given First Amendment right to complain that Jews, Muslims and blacks are not yet entirely dead. Would I be out-of-line to suggest that **Mr. Ditka** ’s opinions are not entirely humane? And that his supporters do not appear to be entirely sane and/or sober? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/189 "2018-01-20T13:50:48Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Recently I learned, via **HurricaneDitka** himself, that this murder of 168 people was not entirely unreasonable. Certainly not to be compared with the heinousness of the Antifa terrorists who tossed stones, _unreasonably_, toward Nazis — Nazis merely exercising their God-given First Amendment right to complain that Jews, Muslims and blacks are not yet entirely dead. > > Would I be out-of-line to suggest that **Mr. Ditka** ’s opinions are not entirely humane? And that his supporters do not appear to be entirely sane and/or sober? How can you make the McVeigh argument without also acknowledging that 9/11 was a reasonable response to U.S. excursions into the Middle East? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/190 "2018-01-20T17:14:01Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > How can you make the McVeigh argument without also acknowledging that 9/11 was a reasonable response to U.S. excursions into the Middle East? Because brown people? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/191 "2018-01-20T17:40:58Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > How can you make the McVeigh argument without also acknowledging that 9/11 was a reasonable response to U.S. excursions into the Middle East? Killing civilians in response to actions taken by a government is terrorism. If Mcveigh’s terrorism is reasonable, then all terrorism is. FTR, I do not subscribe to that idea. Also, anyone who holds this idea certainly cannot consider peaceful, if inconvenient, protests to be unreasonable responses to government actions. And even if a protest escalates to violence and rioting, that is still a reasonable response. I dunno, has HD ever criticized BLM or any other protest group for anything? If not, then at least hypocrisy in this is not added to the wright of sins. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/192 "2018-01-20T17:56:13Z")
Anita are [“terrible people - advocating and effecting violence against their political opponents.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=824674) I wouldn’t disagree with that. But then, I’d disagree with that heinous statement about McVeigh. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/193 "2018-01-20T22:26:49Z")
Aw, Anita’s not so bad. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/194 "2018-01-20T22:37:25Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > … > > I dunno, has HD ever criticized BLM or any other protest group for anything? If not, then at least hypocrisy in this is not added to the wright of sins. He seems to have a bug up his ass about antifa. I guess those guys oppose facism. The nerve, huh? They do it with aggressive confrontation against peaceful nazis from what I’ve seen in HD’s antifa links. Otherwise, I’d never have heard of them. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/195 "2018-01-21T07:19:42Z")
I Pit **HurricaneDitka** for _wasting my time_. Although typical right-wing arrogance has been the dominant theme of his contributions here, from time to time, he exhibited actual intelligence and intellectual curiosity — or so I thought. In another thread, he claimed that Hillary and Trump were equivalent liars — both “typical politicians.” Was he aware of Trump U.? No, he openly bragged, it’s not important. I wasted time to engage him, and posted a summary of Trump U., a massive detestable fraud for which Trump has been forced to pay out tens of millions. **Hurricane** ’s response was, in effect: “Just what I said; Trump’s a fraudster, Hillary exaggerated about sniper fire. Same-same. Trump has been charged with child rape; Hillary is alleged to have run the child sex ring from a pizza parlor. Same-same.” We’re left with the question: How can a man exhibit this much stupidity and be both sincere and intelligent? Is the right-wing echo chamber so strong as to rob a man completely of his mental faculties? **Hurricane** writes like he has at least a 95+ IQ; what gives? Is he a troll? Does he work for the Russians? It seems far-fetched, but how else to explain his mental model? Even **Starving Artist** and **Brickhead** seem to understand how detestable a man Trump is. For once, I’m not being sarcastic. I sincerely wonder what his game or mental model is. He doesn’t seem like a “troll,” but I have no other explanation. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/196 "2018-01-21T13:26:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I Pit **HurricaneDitka** for _wasting my time_. Although typical right-wing arrogance has been the dominant theme of his contributions here, from time to time, he exhibited actual intelligence and intellectual curiosity — or so I thought. In another thread, he claimed that Hillary and Trump were equivalent liars — both “typical politicians.” Was he aware of Trump U.? No, he openly bragged, it’s not important. > > I wasted time to engage him, and posted a summary of Trump U., a massive detestable fraud for which Trump has been forced to pay out tens of millions. **Hurricane** ’s response was, in effect: “Just what I said; Trump’s a fraudster, Hillary exaggerated about sniper fire. Same-same. Trump has been charged with child rape; Hillary is alleged to have run the child sex ring from a pizza parlor. Same-same.” > > We’re left with the question: How can a man exhibit this much stupidity and be both sincere and intelligent? Is the right-wing echo chamber so strong as to rob a man completely of his mental faculties? **Hurricane** writes like he has at least a 95+ IQ; what gives? Is he a troll? Does he work for the Russians? It seems far-fetched, but how else to explain his mental model? Even **Starving Artist** and **Brickhead** seem to understand how detestable a man Trump is. > > For once, I’m not being sarcastic. I sincerely wonder what his game or mental model is. He doesn’t seem like a “troll,” but I have no other explanation. Skilled stealth troll, I think. Mixed with a little bit of actual desire for discussion, and a lot of general dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/197 "2018-01-21T14:12:06Z")
**HurricaneDitka’s** greater sin in my eyes is that he’s yet another poltroon who avoids the Pit to insulate his delicate constitution from the consequences of his own tireless shitbaggery, under the guise of religiosity or decorum or preference for real, “productive” debate over mindless mud-slinging. Meanwhile he’s willing and able to say things just as vile as anything uttered here, as long as he frames it in phony golly-jeepers-I’m-only-asking-what-you-guys-think language and leaves out the fucks and cunts. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/198 "2018-01-21T14:21:36Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Aw, Anita’s not so bad. Anita way to quit being tripped up by spellcheck! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/199 "2018-01-21T15:32:06Z")
Well, you could just turn it off. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/200 "2018-01-21T15:38:54Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > **HurricaneDitka’s** greater sin in my eyes is that he’s yet another poltroon who avoids the Pit to insulate his delicate constitution from the consequences of his own tireless shitbaggery, under the guise of religiosity or decorum or preference for real, “productive” debate over mindless mud-slinging. Meanwhile he’s willing and able to say things just as vile as anything uttered here, as long as he frames it in phony golly-jeepers-I’m-only-asking-what-you-guys-think language and leaves out the fucks and cunts. I put them in my response. Then delete before posting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=11)