# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/241 "2018-03-16T16:38:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Will no one stand up for those poor Russian saboteurs?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=851150) Relax everybody and don’t believe anything you read until you smell the vodka on their breath. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/242 "2018-03-17T05:40:23Z")
I’ve been reading the _“FBI announces ongoing Russian attacks against American electric grid, water processing, air”_ thread, where Hurricane is making a fool of himself. He obviously knows nothing about power plants, nothing about the electric grid and nothing about computer security, yet has a fervent opinion that, I suppose, the deep-state Clintonists in the FBI are exaggerating the threat from Russia. (Is this because, with traditional allies turning to socialism and rejecting Trump, it is Russia which has become America’s new kindred spirit?) Switch things so that Obama had been dragging his feet one can be sure **Hurricane** would take _the opposite_ of his present stance in the debate. _I think **Hurricane** is neither a troll nor is he clinically stupid._ If we met him in real life and discussed something non-political he might seem good-spirited and intelligent. But some of his “brain wiring” — a sequence of trained Pavlovian reflexes — leads him to defend Trump and right-wingism reflexively. His subconscious directs his conscious opinions and he doesn’t even know it. I met a guy like this, a retired Navy CPO (who, by coincidence, actually did specialize in nuclear power plants). Soft-spoken, good-spirited, and intelligent. Once that CPO made a typical right-wing complaint about some “abuse” he had suffered from a government bureaucrat. I’ve suffered government abuse myself, but his example was faulty; I pointed out that his complaint focused on a policy that was clearly necessary; that bureaucrat was doing his job correctly and the valid complaint would be _if he had acted differently!_ The CPO grinned and nodded his head. But I’m sure the Pavlovian synapses remained intact. TL;DR: **Hurricane** is NOT a Russian troll. He deserves our pity, not our contempt. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/243 "2018-03-17T06:12:33Z")
He may well deserve pity, but rare is the occasion when life is fair so contempt it is. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/244 "2018-03-17T12:38:24Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’ve been reading the _“FBI announces ongoing Russian attacks against American electric grid, water processing, air”_ thread, where Hurricane is making a fool of himself. > > He obviously knows nothing about power plants, nothing about the electric grid and nothing about computer security, yet has a fervent opinion that, I suppose, the deep-state Clintonists in the FBI are exaggerating the threat from Russia. (Is this because, with traditional allies turning to socialism and rejecting Trump, it is Russia which has become America’s new kindred spirit?) Switch things so that Obama had been dragging his feet one can be sure **Hurricane** would take _the opposite_ of his present stance in the debate. > > _I think **Hurricane** is neither a troll nor is he clinically stupid._ If we met him in real life and discussed something non-political he might seem good-spirited and intelligent. But some of his “brain wiring” — a sequence of trained Pavlovian reflexes — leads him to defend Trump and right-wingism reflexively. His subconscious directs his conscious opinions and he doesn’t even know it. > > … > > TL;DR: **Hurricane** is NOT a Russian troll. He deserves our pity, not our contempt. Pretty spot on there, except for the intentional/subconscious part. He takes delight in INTENTIONALLY disrupting a discussion with his disregard for any cited source not acceptable to him. I think Fox is the only one on his approved list, and of course, it’s on no one else’s. He has an almost Clothahump ability to accept anything the POTardUS does as awesome and faultless. Head in the sand stuff. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/245 "2018-03-17T13:37:12Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Pretty spot on there, except for the intentional/subconscious part. He takes delight in INTENTIONALLY disrupting a discussion with his disregard for any cited source not acceptable to him. I think Fox is the only one on his approved list, and of course, it’s on no one else’s. He has an almost Clothahump ability to accept anything the POTardUS does as awesome and faultless. Head in the sand stuff. I believe HD when he says he doesn’t approve of some of Trump’s behavior and actions. He’s said this on several occasions. But he’ll tolerate and rationalize everything to date as long as he ‘gets the things he wants’. To my understanding, those include: lower taxes at any cost, lower restrictions on national park lands (bizarrely obsessive priority, IMO), guns and more guns. There are probably more ‘things that he wants’ but he’s rarely very specific about what they are. Maybe because at the top of his desirable outcomes list - and he’s said this flat out - is that he enjoys the fact that Trump upsets liberals/progressives. That’s the reason I find myself questioning HD’s integrity in so many discussions. Some of his positions come from a legitimate traditional conservative outlook. But a disproportionate amount is based on pissing off progressives purely for the reflexively vindictive pleasure of it all. In short, HD’s a smarter C’hump with improved rhetorical skills. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/246 "2018-03-17T14:21:09Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I believe HD when he says he doesn’t approve of some of Trump’s behavior and actions. He’s said this on several occasions. But he’ll tolerate and rationalize everything to date as long as he ‘gets the things he wants’. To my understanding, those include: lower taxes at any cost, lower restrictions on national park lands (bizarrely obsessive priority, IMO), guns and more guns. There are probably more ‘things that he wants’ but he’s rarely very specific about what they are. Maybe because at the top of his desirable outcomes list - and he’s said this flat out - is that he enjoys the fact that Trump upsets liberals/progressives. > > That’s the reason I find myself questioning HD’s integrity in so many discussions. Some of his positions come from a legitimate traditional conservative outlook. But a disproportionate amount is based on pissing off progressives purely for the reflexively vindictive pleasure of it all. In short, HD’s a smarter C’hump with improved rhetorical skills. Based on his posts, I think he very mildly disapproves of mistreatment of women, racism, bigotry, etc. I think he disapproves much more strongly of anything that has a chance to make liberals happy, and values making liberals angry far, far more than opposing bigotry, racism, and mistreatment of women. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/247 "2018-03-17T14:29:36Z")
It’s not an unfamiliar refrain, at this point. “It doesn’t matter who Trump is, or what sins and crimes he committed, as long as he appoints Supreme Court Justices who love guns, fetuses, executions and Jesus—and who hate gays, transwhatevers, atheists and Moozlems— as much as I do.” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/248 "2018-03-17T20:14:04Z")
As far as I can tell, he just wants to argue the other side. You can cover his argument up one side and down the other with facts, figures, and rebut it until the cows come home and it will not matter. I have no idea what he will accept as “correct” or “truthful”. Has he admitted to Fox anywhere? He gets very stuck on pedantics. Something must appear in a certain word, or phrase, or it’s not true. I almost hate to argue around him, because he engages, but he stops discussion cold. We end up spending pages or whether “healthcare” is insurance or a sysadmin can shut down a nuclear plant. I’m not convinced he even cares about Trump. He just wants to argue. Maybe we should charge by the quarter hour. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/249 "2018-03-18T06:07:49Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > lower restrictions on national park lands (bizarrely obsessive priority, IMO) That’s a bugbear for a lot of western conservatives. There’s a lot of hate for the various federal agencies that own much of the land out there. The whole Bundy situation was rooted in it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/250 "2018-03-18T14:41:56Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > As far as I can tell, he just wants to argue the other side. You can cover his argument up one side and down the other with facts, figures, and rebut it until the cows come home and it will not matter. I have no idea what he will accept as “correct” or “truthful”. Has he admitted to Fox anywhere? > > He gets very stuck on pedantics. Something must appear in a certain word, or phrase, or it’s not true. I almost hate to argue around him, because he engages, but he stops discussion cold. We end up spending pages or whether “healthcare” is insurance or a sysadmin can shut down a nuclear plant. > > I’m not convinced he even cares about Trump. He just wants to argue. Maybe we should charge by the quarter hour. I think this is the particularly insidious part of his rhetoric. The explicit mistrust of generally fact based media and the attempt to dismantle trust in an entire outlet because an opinion piece got the caliber of a weapon used in a crime wrong. As if caliber was instrumental in any way to the report. It’s got that wafting stench of fascism about it, masquerading as golly-gee-wiz pedantry. > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > That’s a bugbear for a lot of western conservatives. There’s a lot of hate for the various federal agencies that own much of the land out there. The whole Bundy situation was rooted in it. So the typical lunatic right wing fringe that likes to pretend they are the wild west cowboy pioneers. Fruitcakes, the lot. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/251 "2018-03-18T15:02:00Z")
Hah. “Wafting stench”. The guy’s a supporter of a white supremacist party. And his bunch aren’t the fringe any more, they’re just the lunatics. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/252 "2018-03-27T22:16:41Z")
Can’t reply properly in the Elections forum. > [@Are we at Trump’s tipping point?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-we-at-trump-s-tipping-point/810944/220): > > … Others are probably employing illegals … Another right wing charmer. Yeah I get it, it’s easier to hate people and treat them other than you would treat regular humans if you remove their humanity. A right wing standard play. Since I can’t call HD a fucking douchebag in that forum, I’ll do it here. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/253 "2018-03-28T04:32:50Z")
If only he bothered to read here. Useless lump. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/254 "2018-03-28T12:03:07Z")
I can’t decide if he’s a troll or a moron. I’m leaning towards him just being a straight up fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/255 "2018-03-28T12:24:21Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > If only he bothered to read here. Useless lump. I doubt there are many Dopers who can resist reading their own Pit threads, even when they’re too craven or mock-virtuous to participate. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/256 "2018-03-28T12:38:33Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > If only he bothered to read here. Useless lump. Per a PM exchange I had with him several months ago, he revealed (probably inadvertently) that he does. And IIRC he posted to at least one PIT thread recently, though not this one. If you’re reading (and I know you probably are), **HD** , your continued defense and cheerleading for someone who bragged about violating the consent of women (and teenage girls!), while pretending to actually care about moral values and the mistreatment of women, is disgusting, and you should be ashamed of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/257 "2018-03-28T13:29:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Per a PM exchange I had with him several months ago, he revealed (probably inadvertently) that he does. And IIRC he posted to at least one PIT thread recently, though not this one. > > If you’re reading (and I know you probably are), **HD** , your continued defense and cheerleading for someone who bragged about violating the consent of women (and teenage girls!), while pretending to actually care about moral values and the mistreatment of women, is disgusting, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Of course you know he won’t be. The very fact that you are suggesting he should feel any shame at all is just evidence to him that his position is correct. Because you are a liberal, and therefore wrong in all things. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/258 "2018-03-28T13:53:32Z")
**HD** is no dummy. He’s figured out the rules here and he plays by them. If that pisses off a few along the way, he’s fine with it. Actually, get him into a thread that isn’t political in nature, and he’s a pretty decent poster. It’s just that, as Republicans go, he’s a socially awkward troll. I suspect even that is an act. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/259 "2018-03-28T14:02:24Z")
Pretending to be a troll? How does that work, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/260 "2018-03-28T14:27:01Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Pretending to be a troll? How does that work, exactly? You think he’s going to give up his secrets? Seriously, engage him on a non-political issue and he’s not a bad poster. He just puts on his MAGA hat whenever someone criticizes the current administration and then trolls like rooster at sunrise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=14)