# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/41 "2018-01-12T16:37:21Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > When people join the US military, which has murdered many millions of innocent non-“whites”, it is hard to take them seriusly when they lament white supremacy. > > The US military is basically a white supremacist organization with access to stolen money and deadlier weapons. This point has been made much clearer after 9/11 for the thinking citizenry of the world. Anyone who has joined the military after 9/11 is on average much worse than WWII era German soldiers because most of those guys were conscripted slaves. Today’s military is voluntarily murderous. I hadn’t noticed you before. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/42 "2018-01-12T16:41:41Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No the dilemma in Andy’s head is quite real. piffle. Go ahead and deny that a lot of the strawman that you are making was changed decades ago by Harry S. Truman. So you only made yourself to be an ignoramus of history, want to make it worse? Please proceed governor… ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/43 "2018-01-12T16:42:00Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I hadn’t noticed you before. Yeah, that was quite a post. I wonder if we’re missing an attempt at satire or something. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/44 "2018-01-12T16:51:43Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No the dilemma in Andy’s head is quite real. Whatever nonsense/fantasyland stuff you’re talking about, it has nothing to do with this thread; if you want to start a new thread about your whackjob nutty views about the world, feel free, but I feel no need to indulge your wackiness in this one. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/45 "2018-01-12T16:55:03Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yeah, that was quite a post. I wonder if we’re missing an attempt at satire or something. I’m giving him the benefit for a very short minute here. If he’s equating those who serve their country with those who seek to violently destroy it, then things might change quickly here. I’m hoping it’s satire. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/46 "2018-01-12T17:01:52Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’m giving him the benefit for a very short minute here. If he’s equating those who serve their country with those who seek to violently destroy it, then things might change quickly here. I’m hoping it’s satire. [probably not satire](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=845847) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/47 "2018-01-12T17:25:05Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I hadn’t noticed you before. I thought he was Der Trihs! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/48 "2018-01-12T17:33:49Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’m giving him the benefit for a very short minute here. If he’s equating those who serve their country with those who seek to violently destroy it, then things might change quickly here. I’m hoping it’s satire. It could just be his beef with me. He’s been saying hateful things about me personally for a long time on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/49 "2018-01-12T19:02:54Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I hadn’t noticed you before. **WillF** crawls out specifically to spew his hatred in threads where he can get in random digs at liberals. I believe he’s racist and that he has some mighty strange views on the Civil War. I’ll have to look for those threads. I might be mis-remembering that bit. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/50 "2018-01-12T19:09:41Z")
Will is a hardcore anarchocapitalist who believes that the United States went to hell in 1788 when the fascists overturned the Articles of Confederation, then it went to hell again in 1865 when the fascists won the Civil War, then it went to hell again in 1935 when the fascists implemented the New Deal, then it went to hell again in 1964 when the fascists passed the Civil Rights act. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/51 "2018-01-12T19:12:03Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/52 "2018-01-12T20:09:10Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > When people join the US military, which has murdered many millions of innocent non-“whites”, it is hard to take them seriusly when they lament white supremacy. > > The US military is basically a white supremacist organization with access to stolen money and deadlier weapons. This point has been made much clearer after 9/11 for the thinking citizenry of the world. Anyone who has joined the military after 9/11 is on average much worse than WWII era German soldiers because most of those guys were conscripted slaves. Today’s military is voluntarily murderous. Oh, you trolling wanker. Fuck right off. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Doyle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doyle/32/439_2.png) [@Doyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doyle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/53 "2018-01-12T20:09:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If McVeigh had been a large-scale vandal, or hacked into government systems and scrambled thousands of man-hours of work, or similar, then perhaps one could have a reasonable discussion about whether his actions were in any way reasonable. But he was a mass murderer of men, women, and children – and white supremacism (in particular the Turner Diaries, based on my reading) was fundamental to his ideology. It’s both unreasonable to feel that the bombing was in any way reasonable, and it’s unreasonable to believe that it didn’t have anything to do with white supremacism. IMO. Wasn’t McVeigh’s accomplice, Terry Nichols, married to an Asian? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/54 "2018-01-12T20:11:28Z")
> [@Doyle](#): > > Wasn’t McVeigh’s accomplice, Terry Nichols, married to an Asian? I hear they had a Jew lawyer. So they couldn’t be racists. Right? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/55 "2018-01-12T20:12:49Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Will is a hardcore anarchocapitalist who believes that the United States went to hell in 1788 when the fascists overturned the Articles of Confederation, then it went to hell again in 1865 when the fascists won the Civil War, then it went to hell again in 1935 when the fascists implemented the New Deal, then it went to hell again in 1964 when the fascists passed the Civil Rights act. Damn. We need someone to make America great again! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/56 "2018-01-12T20:20:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Damn. We need someone to make America great again! Oprah. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/57 "2018-01-12T20:21:12Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > When people join the US military, which has murdered many millions of innocent non-“whites”, it is hard to take them seriusly when they lament white supremacy. For the benefit of those of us who aren’t fluent in fuckwit what does non-“whites” mean. Do the airquotes make a double negative with the “non”, or reinforce it, or something else? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/58 "2018-01-12T22:39:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > piffle. > > Go ahead and deny that a lot of the strawman that you are making was changed decades ago by Harry S. Truman. > > So you only made yourself to be an ignoramus of history, want to make it worse? Please proceed governor… I’m curious how Harry Truman, Dropper of Atom Bombs On Japanese Innocents, makes you think the US military had given up on shoving white supremacy down the throats of millions of innocent non-“whites”. A think piece from Vox will not satisfy my curiosity, so maybe I’m asking the wrong person. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/59 "2018-01-12T22:55:32Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I’m curious how Harry Truman, Dropper of Atom Bombs On Japanese Innocents, makes you think the US military had given up on shoving white supremacy down the throats of millions of innocent non-“whites”. > > A think piece from Vox will not satisfy my curiosity, so maybe I’m asking the wrong person. This clown is a full circus short of a pantload. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/60 "2018-01-12T22:59:27Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yeah, that was quite a post. I wonder if we’re missing an attempt at satire or something. You’re probably missing something, but not that. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Whatever nonsense/fantasyland stuff you’re talking about, it has nothing to do with this thread; if you want to start a new thread about your whackjob nutty views about the world, feel free, but I feel no need to indulge your wackiness in this one. You trot out white supremacy whenever someone doesn’t fall into your quite narrow conception of the American political spectrum, but do not actually care about the damage your organization has done to the people of color around the world. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’m giving him the benefit for a very short minute here. If he’s equating those who serve their country with those who seek to violently destroy it, then things might change quickly here. I’m hoping it’s satire. Anyone who joins the military does so because of ignorance, malice, or ambition. If they are ignorant at the beginning, I doubt they remain so, therefore they fall into the other two categories after awhile. > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I thought he was Der Trihs! No I advocate non-violence. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It could just be his beef with me. He’s been saying hateful things about me personally for a long time on this board. You decided to out yourself as a person who benefits from state violence. Your choice. You decided to speak of others’ white supremacy. Your choice. It takes some balls for someone in your position to play victim. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **WillF** crawls out specifically to spew his hatred in threads where he can get in random digs at liberals. I believe he’s racist and that he has some mighty strange views on the Civil War. I’ll have to look for those threads. I might be mis-remembering that bit. I could get random digs at liberals in any thread. They are quite open to ridicule. > [@Lemur866](#): > > Will is a hardcore anarchocapitalist who believes that the United States went to hell in 1788 when the fascists overturned the Articles of Confederation, then it went to hell again in 1865 when the fascists won the Civil War, then it went to hell again in 1935 when the fascists implemented the New Deal, then it went to hell again in 1964 when the fascists passed the Civil Rights act. Yes they were all bad things. I guess you believe with each of those events the US inched closer to its divine destiny. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Oh, you trolling wanker. Fuck right off. :rolleyes: If only it was that easy to handwave decades of state slaughter. > [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > For the benefit of those of us who aren’t fluent in fuckwit what does non-“whites” mean. Do the airquotes make a double negative with the “non”, or reinforce it, or something else? Whiteness is an artificial construct. It has changed significantly over time. For example, President Wilson believed that Germans were not white enough to escape his crosshairs. Trump is cool with the Germans, but watch out Koreans and Iranians. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=4)