# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/601 "2018-10-22T12:57:58Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Here’s a good summary: > > HD: Trump says Republicans Create Jobs, Democrats Create Mobs! I think that’s accurate. > Other folks: But Democrats create plenty of jobs, and Republicans have created plenty of mobs, so why do you think Trump was accurate? > HD: Cite that Trump said Democrats don’t create jobs, or that Republicans don’t create mobs? He’s not comparing them, he’s just making two completely unrelated points in a rhyming slogan, and those unrelated points are clearly accurate. > Other folks: You’ve got to be shitting me. Me: And this is why it’s not entirely unreasonable to drive a truck bomb into all of your threads HD. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/602 "2018-10-22T13:37:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > While I normally advocate for ignoring this particular troll, Dopers have done a good job of cornering **HD** in the thread linked in #597. Pretty blatant that’s he’s just trolling for reactions, and he’s been correctly called out for it (while still remaining within the rules of Elections). Well, given that JC has it out for me, this may or may not be true. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/603 "2018-10-22T17:13:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > While I normally advocate for ignoring this particular troll, Dopers have done a good job of cornering **HD** in the thread linked in #597. Pretty blatant that’s he’s just trolling for reactions, and he’s been correctly called out for it (while still remaining within the rules of Elections). Yeah, I think we need a sign-up sheet, to ensure that there are always two or three people in that thread to keep the conversation going. Anything that keep’s **Hurricane Ditka** ’s idiocy confined to a single thread is worth pursuing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/604 "2018-10-22T18:43:21Z")
And his trolling thread is closed. Good for the mods. With the recent warning and this closing, maybe they’re paying closer attention to HD’s obnoxious trolling. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/605 "2018-10-22T20:57:40Z")
The thing is that the stupid fucker is dumb enough to freely admit that he gets a kick out of trolling and annoying liberals. That’s why he’s here, and if his outright admission of enjoying “poking them in the eye with a stick” wan’t enough, there are threads like the latest and now closed mobs’n’jobs one which just result in a lot of heat and no real discussion because there’s totally no substance there. What makes him particularly ban-worthy – and I think this is part of the act – is his sanctimonious insistence on “civility” while he trolls and provokes, and no doubt chuckles as other posters get warnings. It’s no wonder that he expressed concern, as noted earlier, about being “next” after the **Starving Artist** ban. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/606 "2018-10-22T22:47:51Z")
Yeah, I don’t get that lib owning stuff. I don’t feel owned by his sort, I’m just left with the impression Trump supporters are evil, or stupid, or both. They’re only embarrassing themselves. The Trump supporters in my personal life are few and far between; do you guys ever meet any who just say something along the lines of “yeah, he’s a real crummy president and a liar, not to mention Putin’s catamite, but I like him anyway because he’s making the scary brown people go away”? At least that would be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reindeer_flotilla/32/3024_2.png) [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reindeer_Flotilla)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/607 "2018-10-22T23:45:00Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > The Trump supporters in my personal life are few and far between; do you guys ever meet any who just say something along the lines of “yeah, he’s a real crummy president and a liar, not to mention Putin’s catamite, but I like him anyway because he’s making the scary brown people go away”? At least that would be honest. It’s also for a lot along the lines of: Trump Supporter: Thank God we have a president that’s not black anymore. Everyone else: But the replacement is embarrassingly ignorant, a laughingstock, a dangerous demagogue, and furthermore… Trump Supporter: What part of NOT BLACK are you not getting? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/608 "2018-10-23T00:03:16Z")
I guess he hoped for some quality debating from that OP? He should have been warned for trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/609 "2018-10-23T01:03:37Z")
A while back I came across this thread: > **[Why do liberals hate suburbs?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=698093)** > > There are a great many liberal positions that I can understand, even if I may disagree with them, but there’s one I don’t understand the motivation for: what is the reason behind the liberals’ “war on suburbs”? My first response was, “WTF kind of idiot would believe this shit?!” followed by “oh, it’s that dipshit Ditka. No surprise there.” Finally it hit me that that thread was from 2012. 20-fucking-12. So this worthless troll has been dropping big piles all over the boards for at least 6 years now. How he’s managed to avoid the banhammer is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/610 "2018-10-23T03:24:31Z")
President Trump appears to have settled on his closing argument for the 2018 campaign season: “Democrats stomp kittens, Republicans knit mittens”. Personally, I think it’s rather catchy, and a sadly-accurate reflection of the current state of affairs in American politics, but I’m curious what my fellow Dopers think. Have any of you (I’m particularly curious what the leftists think, but the couple of other conservatives are welcome to opine as well) been turned off by leftist kitten stomping? Even if you personally approve, do you worry that it might be turning off moderates / independent voters? Or do you think this sort of thing will be a great electoral boon for Dems? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/611 "2018-10-23T19:51:00Z")
I’ve tried to engage him in good faith a few times now. We had some good back and forth in a thread I started about whether Kavanaugh lied. But this latest thread? I’m done with him. Two things really stood out – one was “Hey, I’m not saying Republicans make more jobs, just that they produce jobs.” Same thing on the “mobs” side. The second thing that wasn’t called out enough (I think someone called him out before that garbage was closed) was when he was asking for cites from lefties that Republicans produce more mobs. It was his claim that Dems make more (no, wait, he later claimed that wasn’t what he and Trump were claiming, just that they produce mobs), so he should provide the cites. Elections is a debate forum – it’s not MPSIMS. When you make claims, you bring cites, just like I did on the jobs side. Oh yeah, and when he did provide “cites” he just puked up a bunch of links, half of which didn’t even show what he was trying to prove. Which, of course, isn’t relevant to the question of which side produces more mobs. What a disingenuous asshole. Definitely done with that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/612 "2018-10-25T18:30:46Z")
> [@President Trump's approval rating at the highest it's been in many months. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-approval-rating-at-the-highest-its-been-in-many-months-why/823457/49): > > But it’s very absurd to hijack your own thread into a back-and-forth on the question of whether 14% is characterized best as “not almost any” or “barely any” or “only a tiny minority” or whatever. Or very trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/613 "2018-10-30T18:08:34Z")
It’s annoying when people put their sig in the the body of the post so you can’t block it by turning off sigs. > [@Person openly carrying an AR-15. Reasonable articulable suspicion of crime?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/person-openly-carrying-an-ar-15-reasonable-articulable-suspicion-of-crime/823583/31): > > This post is sheer is ignorance on display. That’s his sig, right? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/614 "2018-10-31T19:46:36Z")
Ditka is concerned that the fact that a Republican candidate distributed a Christian pamphlet which called for the slaughter of religiously dissident men might just be “played up by the media”: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21296498#post21296498](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21296498#post21296498) ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/615 "2018-10-31T19:47:22Z")
Got a new goodie: In replying to a post about a candidate in Washington state whose leaked manifesto, in essence, called for a Christian state, an end to abortion without exception, and an end to gay marriage…and anybody who resisted this could be killed. Here was [His Lordship’s response.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21296997&postcount=77) Context. It ain’t just for breakfast anymore, apparently. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/616 "2018-10-31T23:37:57Z")
> [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](#): > > It’s also for a lot along the lines of: > > Trump Supporter: Thank God we have a president that’s not black anymore. > Everyone else: But the replacement is embarrassingly ignorant, a laughingstock, a dangerous demagogue, and furthermore… > Trump Supporter: What part of NOT BLACK are you not getting? Really? People are that up front about it to your face? I think I’d be pretty shocked at that. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/617 "2018-11-01T02:23:44Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Really? People are that up front about it to your face? > > I think I’d be pretty shocked at that. [I know, right?](https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-hyperboles.html) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/618 "2018-11-01T03:03:41Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Got a new goodie: > > In replying to a post about a candidate in Washington state whose leaked manifesto, in essence, called for a Christian state, an end to abortion without exception, and an end to gay marriage…and anybody who resisted this could be killed. > > Here was [His Lordship’s response.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21296997&postcount=77) > > Context. It ain’t just for breakfast anymore, apparently. :rolleyes: Well, context is important, so here is some context about this character, Matt Shea, that **Ditka** is so supportive and fond of ([cite for these quotes](http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/26/rep-matt-shea-takes-credit-criticism-for-document-/)): - Shea objects to being characterized as an “extremist” since it’s just a plain fact that “the United States is ‘a Christian nation’ and his detractors are part of a ‘counter state’ made up of ‘Marxists’ and ‘Islamists’.” - Shea embraces far-right conspiracy theories, associates with a fundamentalist religious group in northern Stevens County and champions a push for a 51st state called “Liberty”. - His manifesto resembles the work of the Marble Community Fellowship, a Stevens County congregation practicing a strain of fundamentalist Christianity called “dominionism”, and which authored its own document referring to Jews as “anti-Christs” and condemning interracial marriage. And sho’nuff, Shea has been a featured speaker at Marble’s annual Fourth of July God and Country Celebration. - Shea visited right-wing activists during their armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Eastern Oregon in 2016. According to one of Shea’s prominent critics, “The goal of these groups has always been to create a white homeland consisting of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington. The ideas presented in the (biblical war) document are how these groups intend to seize control, by force, should there be a governmental collapse or civil war.” So, no big deal then. Context is everything, as **Ditka** says. The “manifesto” was probably just Sunday school notes, as **Ditka** informs us. That’s probably why the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are now giving this upstanding citizen a close look. It’s that nefarious Sunday school connection. A citizen so fine and upstanding, in fact, that he was allegedly relieved of his weapons while serving in Iraq due to anger management issues, and accused of pulling a gun on another motorist in a road rage incident ([cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#Controversy)). AFAICT, **Ditka** supports this guy not so much because of a shared ideology, but because he’s more or less a kindred spirit – practically a brother, one might say! ---
**Author:** ![Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reindeer_flotilla/32/3024_2.png) [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reindeer_Flotilla)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/619 "2018-11-01T06:59:53Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Really? People are that up front about it to your face? > > I think I’d be pretty shocked at that. Wow, based on that response I suspect a lot of blatant obvious behavior comes as a shock to you. Unless of course you really do get this and you’re trying to deflect and thus excuse it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/620 "2018-11-01T12:40:45Z")
The only excuse I can think of for the way Republicans behave is oxygen deprivation in the womb. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=32)