# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/621 "2018-11-01T12:56:54Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Well, context is important, so here is some context about this character, Matt Shea, that **Ditka** is so supportive and fond of ([cite for these quotes](http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/26/rep-matt-shea-takes-credit-criticism-for-document-/)): > > - Shea objects to being characterized as an “extremist” since it’s just a plain fact that “the United States is ‘a Christian nation’ and his detractors are part of a ‘counter state’ made up of ‘Marxists’ and ‘Islamists’.” > > - Shea embraces far-right conspiracy theories, associates with a fundamentalist religious group in northern Stevens County and champions a push for a 51st state called “Liberty”. > > - His manifesto resembles the work of the Marble Community Fellowship, a Stevens County congregation practicing a strain of fundamentalist Christianity called “dominionism”, and which authored its own document referring to Jews as “anti-Christs” and condemning interracial marriage. And sho’nuff, Shea has been a featured speaker at Marble’s annual Fourth of July God and Country Celebration. > > - Shea visited right-wing activists during their armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Eastern Oregon in 2016. According to one of Shea’s prominent critics, “The goal of these groups has always been to create a white homeland consisting of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington. The ideas presented in the (biblical war) document are how these groups intend to seize control, by force, should there be a governmental collapse or civil war.” > > So, no big deal then. Context is everything, as **Ditka** says. The “manifesto” was probably just Sunday school notes, as **Ditka** informs us. That’s probably why the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are now giving this upstanding citizen a close look. It’s that nefarious Sunday school connection. A citizen so fine and upstanding, in fact, that he was allegedly relieved of his weapons while serving in Iraq due to anger management issues, and accused of pulling a gun on another motorist in a road rage incident ([cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#Controversy)). > > AFAICT, **Ditka** supports this guy not so much because of a shared ideology, but because he’s more or less a kindred spirit – practically a brother, one might say! Well, his manifesto is some major league crazy, but I think it lacks the coherency to be frightening. [http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/khq/SHEAWAR.pdf](http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/khq/SHEAWAR.pdf) If they passed it out in a Sunday School, that makes it even funnier. Picture an army of saved and circumcised MEN from stable homes riding into battle on an ARK with TRUMPETS, praising the Lord before, during and after battle. It’s like a Hurricane Ditka fever dream. No wonder he wants to give the guy a blowjob. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/622 "2018-11-01T13:01:01Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > The only excuse I can think of for the way Republicans behave is oxygen deprivation in the womb. I can think of others - for instance, that this - > [@](#): > > Trump Supporter: Thank God we have a president that’s not black anymore. > Everyone else: But the replacement is embarrassingly ignorant, a laughingstock, a dangerous demagogue, and furthermore… > Trump Supporter: What part of NOT BLACK are you not getting? didn’t really happen. Imaginary things are excusable. YMMV. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/623 "2018-11-01T13:04:17Z")
I also note that **HD** has fell in with the **D’Anconia** pattern of basically just posting questions. I’m sure it’s his reaction to feeling like he’s an oppressed minority: “First they banned the racist **Clothahump** , then they banned the sexist **Starving Artist** … I’m just going to troll the libs until they ban me!” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/624 "2018-11-01T13:06:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I can think of others - for instance, that this - didn’t really happen. Imaginary things are excusable. Richard Spencer isn’t relieved not to have a black president anymore? Huh. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/625 "2018-11-01T14:19:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I can think of others - for instance, that this - didn’t really happen. Imaginary things are excusable. YMMV. > > Regards, > Shodan Fuck off, Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/626 "2018-11-01T14:31:12Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Really? People are that up front about it to your face? > > I think I’d be pretty shocked at that. Well, she had her back to me, but about a year ago I was visiting some of the nicest parts within that large flat area in the middle of the USA, as part of a group of people from Belgium. One of the saleswomen in the location we were visiting went on a rant about how disrespectful CK&co were for kneeling during the anthem and every life matters and those guys think they can do anything they want and against immigrants and Muslims and Catholics, in front of at least 3 immigrants of varied skin tones, a dozen Catholics and 2 black coworkers of hers. Judging by the rolleyes the black guys gave, it wasn’t the first time she did it. The one Muslim who was part of my group didn’t happen to be in the room. Quite a few people have an amazing ability to become deaf and blind when they’re on a rant. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/627 "2018-11-01T14:31:15Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Well, his manifesto is some major league crazy, but I think it lacks the coherency to be frightening. > > [http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/khq/SHEAWAR.pdf](http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/khq/SHEAWAR.pdf) > > If they passed it out in a Sunday School, that makes it even funnier. Picture an army of saved and circumcised MEN from stable homes riding into battle on an ARK with TRUMPETS, praising the Lord before, during and after battle. It’s like a Hurricane Ditka fever dream. No wonder he wants to give the guy a blowjob. I went to a pretty fucked up, patriarchal, fire-and-brimstone “christian” church growing up and I don’t remember anything like this manifesto being passed out. That Marble County church is all kinds of fucked up if this is what they are teaching in Sunday school. I feel sorry for those kids and hope they can someday escape. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/628 "2018-11-01T16:42:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Well, context is important, so here is some context about this character, Matt Shea, that **Ditka** is so supportive and fond of ([cite for these quotes](http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/26/rep-matt-shea-takes-credit-criticism-for-document-/)): > > - Shea objects to being characterized as an “extremist” since it’s just a plain fact that “the United States is ‘a Christian nation’ and his detractors are part of a ‘counter state’ made up of ‘Marxists’ and ‘Islamists’.” > > - Shea embraces far-right conspiracy theories, associates with a fundamentalist religious group in northern Stevens County and champions a push for a 51st state called “Liberty”. > > - His manifesto resembles the work of the Marble Community Fellowship, a Stevens County congregation practicing a strain of fundamentalist Christianity called “dominionism”, and which authored its own document referring to Jews as “anti-Christs” and condemning interracial marriage. And sho’nuff, Shea has been a featured speaker at Marble’s annual Fourth of July God and Country Celebration. > > - Shea visited right-wing activists during their armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Eastern Oregon in 2016. According to one of Shea’s prominent critics, “The goal of these groups has always been to create a white homeland consisting of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington. The ideas presented in the (biblical war) document are how these groups intend to seize control, by force, should there be a governmental collapse or civil war.” > > So, no big deal then. Context is everything, as **Ditka** says. The “manifesto” was probably just Sunday school notes, as **Ditka** informs us. That’s probably why the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are now giving this upstanding citizen a close look. It’s that nefarious Sunday school connection. A citizen so fine and upstanding, in fact, that he was allegedly relieved of his weapons while serving in Iraq due to anger management issues, and accused of pulling a gun on another motorist in a road rage incident ([cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#Controversy)). > > AFAICT, **Ditka** supports this guy not so much because of a shared ideology, but because he’s more or less a kindred spirit – practically a brother, one might say! Yeah, occasionally he can seem like he might be a reasonable person open to having an honest discussion, but then he’ll pull something like this. The mods should really pull their heads out of their asses and ban him, rather than protect him from the predictable and justifiable outrage that his statements provoke in normal, decent people, as we see Bone doing in [this t](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=864689)hread. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/629 "2018-11-01T17:05:06Z")
But who’ll take over the fundie-wingnut-sealioning-JAQoff duties when he’s gone? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/630 "2018-11-01T20:51:48Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > But who’ll take over the fundie-wingnut-sealioning-JAQoff duties when he’s gone? You could do it **Vinyl**! Just pretend you had an epiphany (or a crack to yer’ skull, take your pick) and become a fundie-wingnut-jacker-offerer. I, for one, would subscribe to your newsletter. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/631 "2018-11-07T06:01:07Z")
Whoa, looks like per our election bet, Ditka will have to donate about $150 to the charity of my choice. I’m taking suggestions.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/632 "2018-11-07T06:06:58Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Whoa, looks like per our election bet, Ditka will have to donate about $150 to the charity of my choice. I’m taking suggestions.😃 $50 for the ACLU, $50 for Indivisible and $50 for Planned Parenthood, is my suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/633 "2018-11-07T09:51:59Z")
Link for the bet? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/634 "2018-11-08T04:06:46Z")
I don’t remember which thread it started in, but we clarified the terms by PM. He owes $10 for every million Democratic House votes in excess of 46 million. So, it looks like we will end up with around 62 million, which would be $150. The only limitation is the contribution has to be to a tax deductable charity organization. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/635 "2018-11-08T05:23:11Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I don’t remember which thread it started in, but we clarified the terms by PM. He owes $10 for every million Democratic House votes in excess of 46 million. So, it looks like we will end up with around 62 million, which would be $150. The only limitation is the contribution has to be to a tax deductable charity organization. Hmmm. Well, $75 to Indivisible and $75 to Planned Parenthood, then. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/636 "2018-11-08T06:14:32Z")
He’s not going to acknowledge seeing these posts about the wager you know. Apparently he doesn’t frequent the Pit, because it’s just nasty down here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/637 "2018-11-08T09:15:59Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Whoa, looks like per our election bet, Ditka will have to donate about $150 to the charity of my choice. I’m taking suggestions.😃 The only morsel of political philosophy I’ve ever been able to discern from **HurricaneDildo** is that he loves Donald Trump, and his highest aspiration _is to emulate the orange sociopath_. Given that, guess what your chance of collecting on a bet is. I’ll bet dinner at the best restaurant in my province that the charity never sees a penny of that $150. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/638 "2018-11-08T09:57:53Z")
Yeah, the question of enforcement has crossed my mind…he told me he would be traveling for a few weeks after the election, so we shall see. I definitely wouldn’t touch your bet, although I would be happy to buy you dinner there if I am ever in your province. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/639 "2018-11-08T10:05:01Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I don’t remember which thread it started in, but we clarified the terms by PM. He owes $10 for every million Democratic House votes in excess of 46 million. So, it looks like we will end up with around 62 million, which would be $150. The only limitation is the contribution has to be to a tax deductable charity organization. Gotta be something related to gun control. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/640 "2018-11-08T10:08:51Z")
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