# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/101 "2018-01-14T20:21:08Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Therefore, to someone out in the Trump Swamp, I’m a Liberal CommieSocialist Eurofag Pinko, and to someone in the Marx Mire, I’m a Fascist Republican Brownshirt. So, that makes you a Libafascist Compublican Pinkshirt? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/102 "2018-01-15T03:55:12Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, that makes you a Libafascist Compublican Pinkshirt? There are people who will, to this day, go to the mat for the idea that the Nazis were a Leftist group. I’ve seen two arguments to this effect: First Argument: “It’s in the name, innit? National SOCIALISM, innit? Ah-ha! You can’t fool me, with your fancy facts!” Second Argument: “Big government is a feature of Leftist regimes. The most Right-wing political philosophy is Anarchism, so the most Left-wing philosophy is Dictatorship. My political worldview begins circa 1980, and is entirely limited to one or, maybe, two countries.” The underlying argument is a complete inability to look at context, which is the fact that the Nazis and Fascism in general were reactions to Marxism and a perceived social decline in the wake of the First World War, the fact the elements of the Nazi Party that wanted to reform the economy (the Strasserists) were forced out in the Night of the Long Knives, and the simple fact that Right governments have often been Dictatorships, when they weren’t Absolute Monarchies. Underlying the underlying is their eternal desire to poke at Leftists, no matter how ignorant and stupid they must become to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/103 "2018-01-15T04:08:32Z")
Just as the official name of North Korea, the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” is factually correct only in the last word. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/104 "2018-01-15T16:03:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You get more flies with honey than with vinegar. Shit works best, of course… I laughed out loud. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/105 "2018-01-15T16:32:21Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Liberals are known for worshipping the military? What? WillFarnaby is a nutjob, but ever after 9/11 both liberals and conservatives have tried to outdo each other with public expression of piety over The Troops as political cover for some other agenda. This is just my view, but liberals seem especially eager to overcompensate for the historical perception that they’re against the military. And of course, nobody is allowed to criticize The War without first gushing over how they love The Troops. (disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me). ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/106 "2018-01-15T17:08:11Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > (disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me). But thanks for serving. You could suck as a person in real life, but thanks for signing up to be a troop. You don’t seem to suck. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/107 "2018-01-15T17:18:29Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > (disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me). You used to be a bunch of people? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/108 "2018-01-15T17:33:02Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You used to be a bunch of people? You seem confused about something. 9 seconds of Googling should help you clear that up. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/109 "2018-01-15T17:34:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You used to be a bunch of people? That’s a _troupe_. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/110 "2018-01-15T23:45:50Z")
Holy shit, **Ditka’s** stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/111 "2018-01-15T23:52:52Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > (disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me). Troop, or troop _ship_? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/112 "2018-01-16T01:08:44Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Holy shit, **Ditka’s** stupid. Valiant attempt to steer the thread back onto its rails. The feigned surprise is a bit much, though, considering. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/113 "2018-01-16T02:51:59Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Holy shit, **Ditka’s** stupid. Apparently he takes his username from a former football coach who is a fucking asswit. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/114 "2018-01-16T02:54:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Apparently he takes his username from a former football coach who is a fucking asswit. And a blowhard. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/115 "2018-01-17T10:22:34Z")
What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. **Starving Artist** , for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will _eventually_ turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada. Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but [finds Hillary’s ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20728824&postcount=97) > [@What are your thoughts on my debate with this conservative regarding Trumps sh\*\*thole comment?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-my-debate-with-this-conservative-regarding-trumps-sh-thole-comment/806605/95): > > In your view, is Trump University one of the top 10 most important things that has happened during his Presidency / the campaign? I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka’s performance in that thread? Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016. I’ve asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/116 "2018-01-17T13:00:12Z")
Buddy, you don’t know **Ditka** from Shinola. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/117 "2018-01-17T14:38:00Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. **Starving Artist** , for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will _eventually_ turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada. > > Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but [finds Hillary’s ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20728824&postcount=97) > > I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka’s performance in that thread? > Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016. > I’ve asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience. Shut up, you fucking troll. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/118 "2018-01-17T15:23:44Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. **Starving Artist** , for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will _eventually_ turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada. > > Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but [finds Hillary’s ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20728824&postcount=97) > > I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka’s performance in that thread? > Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016. > I’ve asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience. I’m glad you commented on this, as I was rather taken aback as well. He appears able to list chapter and verse on any number of Hillary Clinton’s failings, but Trump University and the cataloging of Trump’s [2000+ lies](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/10/president-trump-has-made-more-than-2000-false-or-misleading-claims-over-355-days/?utm_term=.a035e60b4919) is beneath concern. How can one know what one opposes without understanding what one supports? **Shodan** ’s eloquent rebuttal notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/119 "2018-01-17T15:45:19Z")
Shodan was eloquent? :eek: Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don’t appear on my machine. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/120 "2018-01-17T16:01:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Shodan was eloquent? :eek: Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don’t appear on my machine. Well, “Shut up, you fucking troll” carries a certain amount of pithiness, even if it doesn’t advance the conversation. I don’t set a very high bar for his contributions. In other words, you didn’t miss anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=7)