# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1181 "2019-09-27T18:31:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So what were we arguing about? 😉 Please explain to me why “the consensus opinion that all conservative ideology is rooted in racism” exists. I’ve tried to find context for that and can’t. Especially when combined with the comment that conservatives can’t give “examples of conservative ideology that aren’t rooted in racism”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1182 "2019-09-27T18:33:36Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Please explain to me why “the consensus opinion that all conservative ideology is rooted in racism” exists. I’ve tried to find context for that and can’t. Especially when combined with the comment that conservatives can’t give “examples of conservative ideology that aren’t rooted in racism”. I don’t believe either statement is accurate. Some poster may have said that – that doesn’t mean that every poster believes it. AFAICT, most in the applicable threads pushed back against such notions. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1183 "2019-09-27T18:57:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m challenging specific claims – that broad-brushing simplistic attacks on conservatism aren’t called out. They are called out, frequently, on this board. I think reducing it to specific individual incidents overlooks the more important, broader impact. I’m not trying to equate the two - but by way of analogy - when we look at overall issue of an unwelcoming atmosphere towards women, sure individual incidents can be examined but in general it is a tone, or attitude that spoke to a broader issue than any individual example. I think there are similarities in that there is a general unwelcoming attitude towards conservative views that goes beyond disagreement. It certainly isn’t everyone, just like not everyone had views that make women uncomfortable. But you seem to have no problem accepting that women speaking up saying they are uncomfortable, or they are not posting as much because reasons, while not accepting similar rationale by conservative minded posters. Rather than attempt to defend something, just consider it, because I really do think this is an area where your and others bias create this blind spot. Anyways, this isn’t really the thread for it so I’ll leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1184 "2019-09-27T19:04:16Z")
I feel like that same rationale can be used to discredit those that claim that white privilege doesn’t exist. If people who experience the affects of it feel that it does, doesn’t it do the same thing to them to deny it’s existence? Maybe those that benefit from it have a blind spot too? Not trying to start a tangent on white privilege but just trying to draw a parallel. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1185 "2019-09-27T19:08:23Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I think reducing it to specific individual incidents overlooks the more important, broader impact. I’m not trying to equate the two - but by way of analogy - when we look at overall issue of an unwelcoming atmosphere towards women, sure individual incidents can be examined but in general it is a tone, or attitude that spoke to a broader issue than any individual example. I think there are similarities in that there is a general unwelcoming attitude towards conservative views that goes beyond disagreement. > > It certainly isn’t everyone, just like not everyone had views that make women uncomfortable. But you seem to have no problem accepting that women speaking up saying they are uncomfortable, or they are not posting as much because reasons, while not accepting similar rationale by conservative minded posters. > > Rather than attempt to defend something, just consider it, because I really do think this is an area where your and others bias create this blind spot. Anyways, this isn’t really the thread for it so I’ll leave it at that. I will consider this. Thank you sincerely for this reasonable suggestion. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1186 "2019-09-27T19:08:25Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Remember when you said before (something like) that you wouldn’t question a minority’s take on what it is like to be that minority? That’s like what you’re doing now. > This is one of those things where I think you’re own bias impacts your assessment. > > How do you describe when conservative minded people say that the board is generally unwelcoming or unfriendly towards conservative views, and then the left leaning people will explain to them how they’re wrong. I’d call it liberal-splaining to contextualize it. Would you say that this board is unwelcoming towards Truthers and Flat Earthers and AntiVaxxers? Is that a problem if we are? If conservatives find facts inconvenient, and they find facts to be unwelcoming to their viewpoints, how do you propose we reconcile that? I don’t think that this board is particularity unwelcoming to conservatives. The majority here disagree with conservative viewpoints, and so that can feel a bit unwelcoming, but I don’t see how to fix that either. If you are a cat person, and you go hang out with dog people, they are not unwelcoming to you, even if they don’t share you interests. Many here are hostile to racist or misogynist or homophobic or otherwise bigoted views. If someone expresses those views, how welcoming do you think we should be? What, specific conservative views do you feel this board is unwelcoming and unfriendly towards? Do you consider not immediately capitulating and agreeing to conservative views, but instead asking that they be backed by facts and logic to be unwelcoming or unfriendly? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1187 "2019-09-27T19:12:56Z")
I thought it was common knowledge that this board is generally unwelcoming or unfriendly towards conservative views? But a lot of the “conservative views” are moronic at best or racist at worst. How can a board dedicated to fighting ignorance be accepting of that? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1188 "2019-09-27T19:18:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t believe either statement is accurate. Some poster may have said that – that doesn’t mean that every poster believes it. AFAICT, most in the applicable threads pushed back against such notions. I’m literally quoting from the link I posted which you insist is only about Trump. Everything in quotes was from that thread, specifically the last two posts of the thread (right after your last post In the thread). I’m honestly trying to understand the context if those statements weren’t intended to be talking about conservatives in general. Most people in that thread weren’t pushing back by the way, yourself included. It was just accepted. Again, I assert that there’s good people on this board (yourself included, you’re one of my favorite people on this board) that don’t see the anti-conservative rhetoric as it happens. Again, I don’t think most people here are bad, and to have an environment that is equally welcome to both sides of the political spectrum would be difficult to maintain. This board is very left, and that’s okay (to me at least). It certainly wouldn’t be okay to a person on the right who’d like to contribute but will struggle when the consensus here is that people on the right are racists and bigots. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1189 "2019-09-27T19:26:13Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I think reducing it to specific individual incidents overlooks the more important, broader impact. I’m not trying to equate the two - but by way of analogy - when we look at overall issue of an unwelcoming atmosphere towards women, sure individual incidents can be examined but in general it is a tone, or attitude that spoke to a broader issue than any individual example. I think there are similarities in that there is a general unwelcoming attitude towards conservative views that goes beyond disagreement. > > It certainly isn’t everyone, just like not everyone had views that make women uncomfortable. But you seem to have no problem accepting that women speaking up saying they are uncomfortable, or they are not posting as much because reasons, while not accepting similar rationale by conservative minded posters. But, it was demanded that the women give specific example after example of incidents, and have those incidences dissected and told that they really weren’t that bad before the board decided to start doing anything about it. They didn’t get away with just saying that there seems to be a general “unwelcoming atmosphere.” > [@](#): > > Rather than attempt to defend something, just consider it, because I really do think this is an area where your and others bias create this blind spot. Anyways, this isn’t really the thread for it so I’ll leave it at that. I don’t think that there is much to defend, as you have not laid out a very good case for your position. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1190 "2019-09-27T19:30:10Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m literally quoting from the link I posted which you insist is only about Trump. Everything in quotes was from that thread, specifically the last two posts of the thread (right after your last post In the thread). I’m honestly trying to understand the context if those statements weren’t intended to be talking about conservatives in general. > > Most people in that thread weren’t pushing back by the way, yourself included. It was just accepted. Again, I assert that there’s good people on this board (yourself included, you’re one of my favorite people on this board) that don’t see the anti-conservative rhetoric as it happens. > > Again, I don’t think most people here are bad, and to have an environment that is equally welcome to both sides of the political spectrum would be difficult to maintain. This board is very left, and that’s okay (to me at least). It certainly wouldn’t be okay to a person on the right who’d like to contribute but will struggle when the consensus here is that people on the right are racists and bigots. I saw tons of posts in that thread that pushed against the general notion that conservative values are based on bigotry. I don’t know if every single such post was challenged, but when I say “not all conservative values are based on bigotry”, then I’m pushing back against the opposite notion, even if that notion comes in a later post. Maybe you’re different, but I don’t quote and reply to every single post I disagree with. Sometimes I’m tired, sometimes I’m not interested, sometimes I don’t feel like it, sometimes I think it’s too dumb or obvious to bother with, etc. Sometimes I just don’t see it. You’re right that some individual posts are bad, including from liberals. But so what? What does that prove? Why is that notable? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1191 "2019-09-27T19:36:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m literally quoting from the link I posted which you insist is only about Trump. Everything in quotes was from that thread, specifically the last two posts of the thread (right after your last post In the thread). I’m honestly trying to understand the context if those statements weren’t intended to be talking about conservatives in general. > > Most people in that thread weren’t pushing back by the way, yourself included. It was just accepted. Again, I assert that there’s good people on this board (yourself included, you’re one of my favorite people on this board) that don’t see the anti-conservative rhetoric as it happens. > > Again, I don’t think most people here are bad, and to have an environment that is equally welcome to both sides of the political spectrum would be difficult to maintain. This board is very left, and that’s okay (to me at least). It certainly wouldn’t be okay to a person on the right who’d like to contribute but will struggle when the consensus here is that people on the right are racists and bigots. Outside of frustrated one-offs in reaction to particularity vile actions by conservative posters pundits, or politicians, I don’t think that I see that sort of sentiment here. What I do see is that being a conservative should not be cover for being a bigot, but it is bigots that are being bigoted, and then complaining that they are being persecuted for being conservative. If conservatives want to find themselves more welcome, maybe they could call out the bigots in their ranks, rather than giving them cover and letting them hide behind the label of conservative. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1192 "2019-09-27T19:44:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Surely you can see the difference between “annoyed” and “upset and rude”? In his defense, he’s not the only one. [Help me out, here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1193 "2019-09-27T19:55:15Z")
In light of that and the other comment, I sincerely wish there was a poster here named “upset and rude” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1194 "2019-09-27T19:56:40Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > What I do see is that being a conservative should not be cover for being a bigot, but it is bigots that are being bigoted, and then complaining that they are being persecuted for being conservative. That absolutely fair and I do see that particular thing happen on this board on a regular basis. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1195 "2019-09-27T20:09:03Z")
There sure are a lot of people using the term “conservatives” to describe radical reactionaries. It’s almost as if there isn’t general recognition of the fact that it’s not possible to be radical and conservative simultaneously. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1196 "2019-09-27T21:10:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And I thought we were friends. ☹ Don’t try for cute, motherfucker. It doesn’t suit your idiot ass. > [@](#): > > You have to admit that the notes that led to warnings are almost as contrived as Huey’s banning. No, I don’t “have to admit” jack. > [@](#): > > Specifically tailored and overly broad prohibitions like that are almost a trap. “Almost like a trap”? How very fucking coy. > [@](#): > > Is sealioning actually a thing Oh, it’s very much a thing. The original comic was as funny as it was because it described behaviour that we all already knew intimately. > [@](#): > > or is it what you accuse someone of when you disagree with them but it isn’t sending you into a frothing rage? How the fuck could \*you \*tell? You erroneously seem to think a few fucking swears is going off the deep end, you one-track cuntpony. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1197 "2019-09-27T21:26:31Z")
I personally draw a distinction between the sort of person who USED to be called “conservative”, and the crop of people who now have taken control of the conservative label. The latter group are conservatives, and they are to the last man shit sculpted into poor approximations of human form. The former group are now cast adrift and labelless, since their political party and their label have been hijacked by shitheads. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1198 "2019-09-27T21:34:36Z")
This is all fine discussion. However, can it be had in a different thread? I’d like to enjoy the next week without seeing ditka’s name constantly in the top of the “new post” list. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1199 "2019-09-28T00:11:32Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Don’t try for cute, motherfucker. It doesn’t suit your idiot ass. > No, I don’t “have to admit” jack. > “Almost like a trap”? How very fucking coy. > Oh, it’s very much a thing. The original comic was as funny as it was because it described behaviour that we all already knew intimately. > > How the fuck could \*you \*tell? You erroneously seem to think a few fucking swears is going off the deep end, you one-track cuntpony. You’re an angry little man.☹ ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1200 "2019-09-28T07:59:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You’re an angry little man. Saying it does not make it so, fuckstick. But _ad hominem_ is all you’ve got, since you’ve no substantive reply. Tosser. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=61)