# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1261 "2019-10-12T18:39:56Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > When there is literally 1000 anti Trump or anti Republicans threads for every one thread critical of a democrat it’s hard to care. Plus if Beta is saying stupid things and he’s running for the Democratic nomination he’s fair game for ridicule. I get it, there are so many instances that you can’t figure out which one to choose! It all makes sense. I have no issue with Beto getting ridiculed, and several posters in that thread did just that. That’s not what **HD** was doing, of course, so I have no idea why you brought it up. After you bring those cites (choose one from the many, many thousands you have in mind), maybe you can explain your comment here. Or don’t! Just fuck off to your own Pit thread instead of white-knighting a poster who is too chickenshit to come to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1262 "2019-10-12T19:32:22Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I get it, there are so many instances that you can’t figure out which one to choose! It all makes sense. > > I have no issue with Beto getting ridiculed, and several posters in that thread did just that. That’s not what **HD** was doing, of course, so I have no idea why you brought it up. After you bring those cites (choose one from the many, many thousands you have in mind), maybe you can explain your comment here. > > Or don’t! Just fuck off to your own Pit thread instead of white-knighting a poster who is too chickenshit to come to the Pit. You aren’t the pit boss ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1263 "2019-10-12T19:42:52Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > What, you don’t think [they exist](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11656043/My-life-as-a-pro-Putin-propagandist-in-Russias-secret-troll-factory.html)? > > [Favourite subjects[:] Putin and Trump being great, the opposition being corrupt, the Nato conspiracy against Russia, the effeminacy of Barack Obama.](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/nov/06/troll-armies-social-media-trump-russian) Where better than a message board so anti-Trump? Russian troll factories do not give a single solitary shit about the SDMB. I would give even odds whether or not they are even aware of it. They have too much to do on Facebook and Twitter to worry about a tiny dying message board. The SDMB makes its own trolls, better and cheaper than you can buy in Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1264 "2019-10-12T19:51:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You aren’t the pit boss Indeed. The pit boss would make you back up your claims. I didn’t think it was possible for anything to be more spineless than an actual octopus. Ignorance fought! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1265 "2019-10-12T20:00:10Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Indeed. The pit boss would make you back up your claims. > > I didn’t think it was possible for anything to be more spineless than an actual octopus. Ignorance fought! I heard that bitch slap logged off and clear in the next room. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1266 "2019-10-12T20:12:34Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Russian troll factories do not give a single solitary shit about the SDMB. I would give even odds whether or not they are even aware of it. They have too much to do on Facebook and Twitter to worry about a tiny dying message board. They’ve supposedly\* been on the board at [AR15.com](http://AR15.com), which is roughly the same size as the SDMB. \*Users there believe one had their IP traced back to some Russian village. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1267 "2019-10-12T20:22:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You aren’t the pit boss ![](https://media1.giphy.com/media/10DVcUchEQUdFu/source.gif) I’m sorry, I couldn’t help it. First thing that popped in my head. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1268 "2019-10-12T22:41:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You aren’t the pit boss Ouch. That’s going to leave a mark. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1269 "2019-10-12T22:51:30Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1270 "2019-10-13T01:28:36Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > They’ve supposedly\* been on the board at [AR15.com](http://AR15.com), which is roughly the same size as the SDMB. > > \*Users there believe one had their IP traced back to some Russian village. People believe a lot of things. Doesn’t make them true. I don’t know that board, but i know this one, and it’s obviously just not worth the paid trolls’ time. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1271 "2019-10-13T01:29:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You should take it as a compliment! You’re an unemployed struggling guy and are willing to pretend to be a dunce and do a tedious detestable job to feed your hungry family. > > If the alternative is really the case — that you and the other Trump-licking drones are sincere — then pity is in order. Along with congratulations that with an IQ that low you’re able to compose grammatical sentences. The troll still can’t spell. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1272 "2019-10-13T01:39:44Z")
Hey, octopus, you fetid pool of dung, although you are on my ignore list, others quoted you so I could see your mad linguistic skills. Do yourself a favor and learn when to use the third person plural form of the verb _be_. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1273 "2019-10-13T02:31:54Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > People believe a lot of things. Doesn’t make them true. I don’t know that board, but i know this one, and it’s obviously just not worth the paid trolls’ time. Who’s paying you to say that? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1274 "2019-10-14T18:04:27Z")
I don’t need to provide a cite to a disingenuous liar like you, one who can’t even agree to the facts. Burn in hell, you lying shit. ETA: Response to [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21915645&postcount=2648) query by lying loser Ditka who insists there’s no “quid pro quo”. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1275 "2019-10-14T18:09:55Z")
That thread is 2600+ posts and I’m positive he didn’t read more than the last 20 or so. How is that not threadshitting at this point? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1276 "2019-10-14T18:12:53Z")
Literally. Just complete threadshitting by refusing to agree to already-agreed upon facts. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1277 "2019-10-14T19:03:10Z")
The whole “quid pro quo” lifeline that Trump supporters are grasping is dumb. (Yes, there was a quid pro quo.) But even if there wasn’t. Even if there WASN’T, the so-called president of the US asking a foreign government, not the FBI, to investigate an American (political rival no less) for personal political gain is an impeachable action. ETA: In my opinion, even if you left out the “for personal political gain” It’s still a violation of the oath of office, a violation of American principles, and impeachable. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1278 "2019-10-14T19:29:08Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The whole “quid pro quo” lifeline that Trump supporters are grasping is dumb. (Yes, there was a quid pro quo.) But even if there wasn’t. Even if there WASN’T, the so-called president of the US asking a foreign government, not the FBI, to investigate an American (political rival no less) for personal political gain is an impeachable action. > ETA: In my opinion, even if you left out the “for personal political gain” It’s still a violation of the oath of office, a violation of American principles, and impeachable. They had to try. How could they resist? One way or another, it was going to come out their ass. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1279 "2019-10-14T20:48:44Z")
> [@The Trump Impeachment Inquiry](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2686): > > Of course it matters! That’s the shaky foundation for all these “Trump was acting like a mob enforcer” posts and reasoning. They all assume Zelensky knew that Trump was withholding the money (or Javelins in some tellings), and so Trump’s “I would like you to do us a favor” is supposed to have an ominous ring to Zelensky like a mobster’s “It’d be a shame if something happened”. If Zelensky doesn’t know that he’s being extorted (because he in fact is not), that perceived ominous tone evaporates. Holy fuck. As if Zelensky didn’t know exactly what he had to do if he wanted to see that military assistance materialize. I’m not sure if HD can be that stupid, or if he can be that much of a troll, or if he really is that much of an asshole. I think all three. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1280 "2019-10-14T21:36:21Z")
I tend to agree with **ThelmaLou** most of the time that **Ditka** is not worth engaging. He is so boringly transparent. However, there are times when I feel it’s necessary, and today is one of those times. The entire Trump cabal is hanging its hat on the “no quid pro quo!” argument, and when I see people getting sucked into this disingenuous line of discussion, I feel the need to point out that “quid pro quo” is not required for either the crime or for impeachment – only the “quid.” To allow **Ditka** ’s line of thinking to propagate is to allow Trumpians to control the narrative. This we cannot do. **Ditka** follows a very predictable way of engaging. He will always try to define the framework within which he wishes to have the discussion. (Guys!! What about the quid pro quo? What about the crime?) **Bricker** used to do this, too, although with a little more finesse than **Ditka**. As noted above, **Ditka** usually accomplishes the hijack with his “what-about, what-about, what-about-bout-bout?” tactic as represented above (hummed in my mind to the William Tell Overture). Try not to fall for it. If you’re going to engage him, make sure you do it on an accurate basis and not his dishonest reframing of any narrative. In other words, make sure you don’t become another turd in his Trumpian kitty litter box. I hate to give him credit of any kind, but he’s really good at pulling people into his distorted world view. That makes him dangerous, and sometimes worth arguing against. **Ditka** himself is a lost cause. But others are reading and forming opinions. It is to them I feel we must direct our discussions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=65)