# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/121 "2018-01-17T16:07:29Z")
He does use upper and lower case appropriately, and shows a command of punctuation rules. That counts as eloquent for the faction expressing the views he does. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/122 "2018-01-17T19:37:44Z")
Yes, blathering on about Clinton (alleged) crimes even after they’re both retired from politics and can no longer spring from under the beds of conservative children and eat them is a perfectly valid thing in their eyes, but to question THE DONALD on anything makes you a troll. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/123 "2018-01-18T14:04:20Z")
Speaking of **Hurricane** : These dolts keep whining “We’re sentient humans too; treat us with a little respect and we can have intelligent dialog.” In the thread I just cited Hurricane’s comments included - “You want him impeached for being unprofessional?” - “[Trump’s] nature is a bit direct and brash, so it’s wouldn’t be entirely unsurprising or out of character for him.” - I suspect Durbin was more interested in the political harm it would cause Trump than the international harm it would cause America. One might even say he put “party before country”. - “I think most politicians lie, prevaricate, obfuscate, exaggerate, etc and that Trump, at least in that way, is a very typical politician.” - “I already believe he behaves like a typical politician” Does this sound like a man who thinks Trump is despicable? If I were a right-winger who despised that fraudster I might write “Of course I detest the man but I’m delighted we have an R in the Oval.” Not **Hurricane**. He wouldn’t even concede that Trump is a worse human than Hillary. We’re here to fight ignorance, so I invited him to educate himself about Trump U. “Is it important?” he asked. Not unless it would bother you that a detestable man is in the White House. He goaded me into wasting more and more time and finally wrote > [@What are your thoughts on my debate with this conservative regarding Trumps sh\*\*thole comment?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-my-debate-with-this-conservative-regarding-trumps-sh-thole-comment/806605/110): > > But, to get at (what I think is) the heart of the matter, I didn’t think much of Trump’s character before I learned that the “textbooks” at Trump U were photocopies or the teaching staff was of low quality. He’s on his third marriage, is dishonest and mean-spirited, etc. Not someone I’d want to hang out with, not someone I’d trust to be alone around my wife / daughter, and not someone I’d pay huge sums of money to learn their real estate tricks and tips. I don’t even want to spend the money to buy his book or the time to read it. Whatever the details of Trump U are seem unlikely to substantially alter that assessment. Does that make sense why it does not seem very interesting or important to me? My response was > [@What are your thoughts on my debate with this conservative regarding Trumps sh\*\*thole comment?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-my-debate-with-this-conservative-regarding-trumps-sh-thole-comment/806605/111): > > IOW, your opinion of the fraudster’s character and life story is about the same as your opinion about [Hillary Clinton](https://clintonwhitehouse2.archives.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/HILLARY_Bio.html). Got it. > > If you already knew he was a massive fraudster (or planned on pretending to have already known) you could have saved us much time. > > No sense my Googling for the credible evidence that Trump is a child rapist. Hillary allegedly ran child sex slaves out of a pizza parlor and the patriot who showed up to rescue them wasn’t even allowed in the basement. Neither Trump nor Clinton was convicted, so, again, _ **Same-same.** _ Got it. I have more respect for imbeciles like **Shodan** and **Starving Artist**. My friend has a lovely daughter with Down’s Syndrome, who has a kind and beautiful disposition. But she doesn’t live in America. It’s sad how stupid people develop twisted beliefs in today’s America through no fault of their own. But **Hurricane** probably has average-plus intelligence and still believes (or pretends to believe) that Hillary’s confusion about sniper-fire and silencers makes her the moral equivalent of a criminal child rapist and con man. :smack: I tried to give him a chance. But now I join in this Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/124 "2018-01-18T14:46:18Z")
Shut up, you fucking troll. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/125 "2018-01-18T16:59:48Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Shodan was eloquent? :eek: Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don’t appear on my machine. He does not get much better than this: > [@Shodan](#): > > Shut up, you fucking troll. Willie the Shake could not write poetry that good. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/126 "2018-01-18T17:05:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Shut up, you fucking troll. > > Regards, > Shodan _ **Stop whining, you fucking baby.** _ Disregards, Chimera ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/127 "2018-01-18T17:09:46Z")
Careful there. I got mod noted for signing my posts to him with… Regards, My Ass I’m not allowed to do that anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/128 "2018-01-18T17:16:11Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Shut up, you fucking troll. > > Regards, > Shodan Jesus, you’re whiny. Par for the course for Republicans these days, but you’re just… really _bad_ at it. And your stupid little tagline… do you retype the whole thing every single time, or is there a textfile on your computer you copy and paste? Regardless, it’s too much work for something absolutely nobody fucking cares about, which you only do in a vain attempt to troll someone, _anyone_, who isn’t already put off by your _sterling_ personality and _unparalleled_ use of language, which you demonstrate in this shining gem of a post. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/129 "2018-01-18T19:48:14Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I have no fondness whatsoever for the military, or its ‘heroes’, but this: > is just so spectacularly stupid that even I can’t let it pass. > > Most people who join the military do so because it’s a _paying job_ that they’ve been told will _teach them skills for free_ while letting them _help their country_. > > You could, in theory, argue that it requires ignorance to believe that being a member of the military helps the country. You can’t possibly make a sane argument that wanting a paying job or free skills training is evil, and you can’t make any sort of coherent argument whatsoever that malice or ambition has anything to do with it at all. That’s just crazy. > > Look, I don’t think there’s anything praiseworthy about being a soldier, but it’s mouth-frothingly deranged to claim you have to be some kind of demon to want to be one. Stuff like that gives you so much credibility that if you told me it was sunny outside I’d grab an umbrella. Joining the military to gain skills has nothing to do with ambition? Hmmm. Hmmmmmmmm. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/130 "2018-01-18T20:11:55Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Joining the military to gain skills has nothing to do with ambition? Stop being the fucking moron that you seem to be unable to not be. Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/131 "2018-01-18T20:20:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them. As a retired enlisted person, I would have to say that almost everything you write here is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/132 "2018-01-18T20:29:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Shut up, you fucking troll. > > Regards, > Shodan So Shodan, Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building? Why or why not? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/133 "2018-01-18T21:04:59Z")
Gosh, aren’t you _clever_. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/134 "2018-01-18T21:21:55Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Stop being the fucking moron that you seem to be unable to not be. Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them. Ohhh. Ok. You just don’t know what ambition means. I thought we had an ideological argument. There isn’t one yet. You’re still struggling with vocabulary. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/135 "2018-01-18T22:19:02Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > So Shodan, > > Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building? > > Why or why not? Hey, there were very fine people on both sides of that bombing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/136 "2018-01-18T22:32:51Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > So Shodan, > > Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building? > > Why or why not? I think he had a point. An _entirely unreasonable_ point, but a point nonetheless! ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/137 "2018-01-18T23:12:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Gosh, aren’t you _clever_. > > Regards, > Shodan Dude, come on. Ditka’s being pitted here BECAUSE he posted that McVeigh had a point when he detonated that truck bomb. What’s your opinion? I mean, I think I can guess your opinion about the bombing itself, although feel free to set me straight if you hold an unpopular opinion on the subject. I’m asking you what’s your opinion about Ditka here? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/138 "2018-01-18T23:20:43Z")
I’m going to assume he has regards for H-Ditka. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/139 "2018-01-18T23:25:49Z")
Just to be clear, the actual quote is: > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think Timothy McVeigh’s actions were not an entirely unreasonable reaction to Ruby Ridge and Waco. To paraphrase is to invite obfuscation. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/140 "2018-01-18T23:27:13Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I’m going to assume he has regards for H-Ditka. Is that code for a man-crush? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=8)