# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1481 "2019-10-24T18:24:03Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > when I advocate that those who feel that their lives are in mortal danger act. This isn’t what you’re doing you chickenshit twat. That was the point of my post. Just grow a sack and call them liars like you want to. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1482 "2019-10-24T18:26:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Obviously not, but I’m just wondering if you’ll communicate in a way that’s meant to be an actual discussion and exchange of ideas, rather than insults and nonsense. Occasionally you do that… but your flippant “why not leave the country?” does not remotely qualify, IMO. > > This is probably meant to be referring to something in particular (the **Shodan** posts, perhaps?), but I’m not sure what, so I can’t really respond. Damnit iiandyiiii, and look I get your iiiis right! it’s not flippant. You just are interpreting it with too much baggage. How do you listen to Eazy-E or Ice Cube or any of the pioneers of gangsta rap if every other word has so much potential baggage? The ‘mean girls’? C’mon now, you know you enjoy a tiny bit of snark farming.🙂 A man has to have his hobbies so I don’t hold it against you. Especially as you’re in my top 5 posters. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1483 "2019-10-24T18:29:38Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > This isn’t what you’re doing you chickenshit twat. That was the point of my post. Just grow a sack and call them liars like you want to. Some of them are liars. Which is what I said in a post above. Some of them are making the legitimate cost/benefit calculation that takes into account probabilities of being a victim of a legitimate fear. I haven’t done a survey. I just gave one example of a potential action one might take if one is in mortal fear. Speaking of which, there is an ATMB thread on that very subject active at this very moment. Hive assemble! Racist alert in ATMB! BZZZZZZZZ!!! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1484 "2019-10-24T18:30:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Damnit iiandyiiii, and look I get your iiiis right! it’s not flippant. You just are interpreting it with too much baggage. How do you listen to Eazy-E or Ice Cube or any of the pioneers of gangsta rap if every other word has so much potential baggage? …I’m not sure what these have to do with each other. Are you aware of different dialects of English like AAVE? > [@](#): > > The ‘mean girls’? C’mon now, you know you enjoy a tiny bit of snark farming.🙂 A man has to have his hobbies so I don’t hold it against you. Especially as you’re in my top 5 posters. If you just want me to admit that I enjoy tweaking **Shodan** for his racism, then sure – I do. But I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t also want to inform others, and maintain the hope that maybe one day he’ll realize his (perhaps unconscious) racism and want to change. I recognize that the desire to tweak/annoy/vex someone else, even for racism, isn’t really a positive thing in myself that I should want to encourage. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1485 "2019-10-24T18:32:59Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Nuanced discussion in the past has resulted in pitting from **the hive**. So forgive me for not caring what **the hive** thinks. > [@octopus](#): > > I don’t mind nuanced conversation. I am not going to communicate in a way merely to please others or **the hive**. > [@octopus](#): > > Sure. If that’s racist then what’s the big deal? I fully expect to see that quote taking out of context by the dishonest\*\* hive \*\*as well. It took less than 24 hours for you to resort to form. Couldn’t fucking resist, could you. Whine of Christ, you’re a predictable fucking imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1486 "2019-10-24T18:34:25Z")
Yeah, the hive stuff is pretty silly. A lot of the issues I spend the most time on the board arguing about are ones that I get a lot of pushback from both liberal and conservative Dopers for (reparations and sexual assault/rape, most prominently). I recognize that my positions on these issues are outside of the mainstream, even on the left. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1487 "2019-10-24T18:35:45Z")
What’s with the “honorary mean girl”? What does that mean? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1488 "2019-10-24T18:36:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What’s with the “honorary mean girl”? What does that mean? There was a movie, right? Beyond that, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1489 "2019-10-24T18:38:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s like discussing certain words that are used as racial slurs. Even if don’t think they have as much impact as people like to pretend they do I don’t think it’s worthwhile to write 20 paragraphs in 100 different threads explaining something so a dishonest turd or two can take one sentence fragment and misrepresent my point. At some point the effort to go beyond a certain level has been proven to be somewhat pointless with regards to actually having a productive conversation with those who choose to engage. At some point the writing can be for other reasons. It doesn’t take a lot of words not to be an asshole. Conversely, if you express offensive things, it doesn’t really matter if you use 10 words or 10,000. You’re being called out on substance, not on syntax. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1490 "2019-10-24T18:40:31Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > It took less than 24 hours for you to resort to form. Couldn’t fucking resist, could you. Whine of Christ, you’re a predictable fucking imbecile. Sounds like something the hive would say. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1491 "2019-10-24T18:40:45Z")
Also, my fellow hive-minders, should we let **octopus** in on the secret SDMB forum in which we carefully coordinate our responses to racist rantings from certain members? Or do we keep the Queen’s instructions quiet as we always have? Bzzz bzzzz bzzzzz! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1492 "2019-10-24T18:41:33Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > It doesn’t take a lot of words not to be an asshole. > > Conversely, if you express offensive things, it doesn’t really matter if you use 10 words or 10,000. You’re being called out on substance, not on syntax. If you are going to avoid topics because of a fear that someone somewhere may think badly of you that’s sort of pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1493 "2019-10-24T18:43:09Z")
NPC! NPC! ORANGE MAN BAD! HIVE MIND SHEEPLE! Y’all are pathetic with this persecution bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1494 "2019-10-24T18:49:01Z")
“Everyone says I’m an asshole. This can’t be true. Therefore, it must be the hive mind.” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1495 "2019-10-24T18:50:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If you are going to avoid topics because of a fear that someone somewhere may think badly of you that’s sort of pathetic. So name one time that I’ve avoided talking about race on this message board. If you’re going to intentionally offend people that means you’re an asshole; it’s clear from your posts that you don’t care if you’re an asshole. That makes you a dick. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1496 "2019-10-24T18:53:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Everyone says I’m an asshole. This can’t be true. Therefore, it must be the hive mind.” So you are one of the fools who think if you are in a situation like the Hutus genociding the Tutsis that you would have to stay in your hut and wait for the machetes and screwdrivers until the check for $200,000 cleared and you had papers to immigrate to Burundi or Uganda? Will guess what? Enjoy being chopped while those with a bit more sense lace up their running shoes and get the hell out of whatever the Rwandan equivalent of Dodge is. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1497 "2019-10-24T18:55:03Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So name one time that I’ve avoided talking about race on this message board. > > If you’re going to intentionally offend people that means you’re an asshole; it’s clear from your posts that you don’t care if you’re an asshole. That makes you a dick. Hmm… when you put it that way perhaps I need to reconsider. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1498 "2019-10-24T19:59:01Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I actually do have black friends. Do any of them know? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1499 "2019-10-24T20:01:05Z")
Do octopi consider their ink to be a “friend”? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1500 "2019-10-24T22:06:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t advocate black people in general move anywhere. I advocate if you are of the belief that the agents of the state where you live are hostile to you, want to kill you or incarcerate you, etc. if you have the means you owe it to yourself to take care of yourself. So, if you happen to be black and you happen to feel that America is trying to kill you and somewhere else isn’t then in that case it’s definitely an option to consider moving to wherever that other place is. Note carefully the conditions. Too often on these forums conditional statements are parsed poorly. > > That’s a personal choice and it’s not up to me to make it. It’s not racist to suggest it’s an option. As I’ve said before the race has nothing to do with self preservation. I noted carefully the conditions you stipulated. My impressions of the reality in which I find myself lead me to understand that, with a vanishingly small number of exceptions, it is NOT an option. They also lead me to understand that the vast majority of individuals for whom it IS an option have found themselves a niche, if you will, in which emigration is not the optimal choice for them to make. This all leads me to conclude that, while suggesting that it’s an option is not in and of itself racist, it _IS_ pig-ignorant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=76)