# I forget, do we have a general HurricaneDitka Pit thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952 "2018-01-06T00:15:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1641 "2019-11-17T00:22:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Of course you can still tell people to ignore him(and other trolls) here in The BBQ Pit…and what I am saying is that if this is the _only_ place you can do it, then doing it is fucking useless. If you put them on “ignore” then you won’t see their posts anywhere (except in a post where someone quotes them). But The Pit and the political threads are where they ply their trade. So I don’t understand this > [@](#): > > …if this [i.e., the Pit] is the _only_ place you can do it, then doing it is fucking useless. ---
**Author:** ![TheCuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thecuse/32/2854_2.png) [@TheCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheCuse)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1642 "2019-11-17T00:26:30Z")
^^I think he means telling others to put him on ignore can only be said here in the Pit. You can’t tell people to put someone on ignore elsewhere without getting in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1643 "2019-11-17T00:49:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I thought we had at least a couple ( **ITD** and **Ellen Cherry** ). Did they retire? I’m a little disappointed your comment wasn’t deliberate, because it’s an excellent point. We all have blind spots, and I think this is squarely in Bone’s. A couple women mods would provide a much-needed different perspective. And I think it was valuable to call attention to that fact. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1644 "2019-11-17T00:52:26Z")
> [@TheCuse](#): > > ^^I think he means telling others to put him on ignore can only be said here in the Pit. You can’t tell people to put someone on ignore elsewhere without getting in trouble. Oh, okay. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1645 "2019-11-17T01:34:37Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I’m a little disappointed your comment wasn’t deliberate, because it’s an excellent point. We all have blind spots, and I think this is squarely in Bone’s. A couple women mods would provide a much-needed different perspective. And I think it was valuable to call attention to that fact. I wish I could claim such razor-sharp wit, but this was purely accidental! I agree that the board really should make a point of getting women mods. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1646 "2019-11-17T05:54:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I wish I could claim such razor-sharp wit, but this was purely accidental! I agree that the board really should make a point of getting women mods. We need a quota on mods based on the assumption that different demographics think differently? That’s not good. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1647 "2019-11-17T16:22:15Z")
It’s always the old white guy who thinks theirs is the only important perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1648 "2019-11-17T16:25:31Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > It’s always the old white guy who thinks theirs is the only important perspective. I didn’t really read your post but my opinion matters the most, which is that the opinion of old white men matter the most. Feel free to continue yammering until I interrupt to tell you the way things really are. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1649 "2019-11-17T16:56:29Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What is the matter with you people who continue to let HD hijack threads??? WHY do y’all engage with him?? Why do you let him dominate discussions when he brings NOTHING to the table?? > > HE will not answer a straight question, but I wish one of you would. > > It is beyond pointless. When I’ve been out all day, I’ll click into one of the political threads and see page after page after page of useless BLATHER where people address “points” that HD has made in (I assume) the vain hope that he will see the light or even reply with something other than CRAP. Well, speaking for myself, and beyond the mere affect inherent to a troll’s troll posts ; lies the problem of bullshit and its asymmetry. If you just let these asshats drop their deuce in a debate and that deuce is not addressed, then it can be seen by a reader as unchallenged, ergo valid take or opinion ; which lets silent holders of similar opinions comfort themselves in their own shit being valid. The turd keeps floating in the metaphorical punchbowl, and who wants to drink punch from a bowl that has a giant turd floating in it ? At worst it can even become “HA ! Teh libz just can’t dispute The Truth !” (see: creationists lauding Duane Gish as a feared debater of epic skills and undisputed worth because after a while non-creationists simply refused to speak with that disingenuous asscozy). So engaging feels like a form of community self-defence, or defending the integrity of the debate, or just performing for the benefit of an unseen, possibly imagined audience. And yet, because debunking multifaceted bullshit takes effort and cites and so on ; but the production of multifaceted bullshit merely involves parroting nonsense, the relative effort of trolling vs. sincerity is super lopsided, which means the bad faith take always “wins” by exhaustion in an open-ended discussion format. I don’t know how this equation can be solved short of just kicking bad faith arguers out. > [@](#): > > I don’t believe he and the other disruptors care one bit about the CONTENT of the discussion. They get a buzz from the attention. That’s it. That might be the case for some subset of trolls, but \*\*HD \*\*employs language and rhetoric tricks that are too close to legit far-right, Breitbart chugging shit-for-brains that I have no problem assuming he’s sincere in his shitheadery and disruption. He does it with an agenda beyond the mere lulz. It’s [bad faith with an agenda](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVkJvieaOA). \*\*octopus \*\*is the same although with a more openly antagonistic bent, a lesser focus on sealioning. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1650 "2019-11-17T17:09:30Z")
IOW: _Up with this, I will not put!_ ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1651 "2019-11-17T17:19:42Z")
“Asscozy” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1652 "2019-11-17T17:48:53Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > IOW: _Up with this, I will not put!_ Hmmm, more “This is shit up with which shall not be put”. Because it’s not about the _I_, it’s about the shitness 😃 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1653 "2019-11-17T18:25:13Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Hmmm, more “This is shit up with which shall not be put”. Because it’s not about the _I_, it’s about the shitness 😃 You French just love you “être” verbs. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bumbershoot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbershoot/32/3428_2.png) [@Bumbershoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbershoot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1654 "2019-11-18T04:37:07Z")
_I’ve been trying to get down To the heart of the matter But my arguments get weak And my thoughts seem to scatter But I think it’s about The shitness, the shitness Even if, even if you don’t pit me anymore_ ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1655 "2019-11-20T00:44:38Z")
Referring **HD** here for my reply to his comment in the impeachment thread, since the subject is now off-limits in that thread. [**Hurricane Ditka**](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21982213&postcount=5076): > [@](#): > > That’s only the case because Joe Biden got it quashed a couple of years earlier, by extorting the Ukranians with $1B in aid to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. The removal of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, was supported by the European Union (EU), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the G-7 ambassadors, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD). Do you believe that they were working together in a conspiracy with Joe Biden to protect Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1656 "2019-11-20T00:55:19Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Referring **HD** here for my reply to his comment in the impeachment thread, since the subject is now off-limits in that thread. > > [**Hurricane Ditka**](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21982213&postcount=5076): > > The removal of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, was supported by the European Union (EU), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the G-7 ambassadors, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD). > > Do you believe that they were working together in a conspiracy with Joe Biden to protect Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? He’s too chicken shit to respond in the Pit. Start a non pit thread for him to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1657 "2019-11-20T02:51:36Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Referring **HD** here for my reply to his comment in the impeachment thread, since the subject is now off-limits in that thread. > > [**Hurricane Ditka**](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21982213&postcount=5076): > > The removal of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, was supported by the European Union (EU), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the G-7 ambassadors, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD). > > Do you believe that they were working together in a conspiracy with Joe Biden to protect Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? Is there any evidence that Shokin was attempting to investigate Burisma before his firing? I ask because haven’t seen any. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1658 "2019-11-20T03:42:56Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > He’s too chicken shit to respond in the Pit. Start a non pit thread for him to ignore. I’m not sure he can take his theory any further without invoking the Illuminati or a global conspiracy. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Is there any evidence that Shokin was attempting to investigate Burisma before his firing? I ask because haven’t seen any. _[Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim)_ (Article limit/paywall): > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer is raising the specter that Joe Biden intervened in Ukrainian politics to help his son’s business. > > But if that was Biden’s aim, he was more than a year late, based on a timeline laid out by a former Ukrainian official and in Ukrainian documents. > … > But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company – Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky – had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko. > > “There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.” > > Kasko’s assessment adds a wrinkle to one of the first political intrigues of the 2020 election season. It undercuts the idea that Biden, now a top Democratic presidential candidate, was seeking to sideline a prosecutor who was actively threatening a company tied to his son. Instead, it appears more consistent with Biden’s previous statements that he was pressing for the removal of a prosecutor who was failing to tackle rampant corruption: According to public reports and internal documents from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office, U.S. officials had expressed concern for more than a year about Ukrainian prosecutors’ failure to assist an international investigation of Zlochevsky. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1659 "2019-11-20T04:24:38Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I’m not sure he can take his theory any further without invoking the Illuminati or a global conspiracy. > … Let him show us. Either how chicken shit, or how full of shit he is. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952/1660 "2019-11-20T05:44:29Z")
Someone please respond to HD in the current misogyny thread with something like this…im too drunk and fear being warned… > [@Misogyny, victim-blaming, and the board culture (yet again)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/179): > > If people get upset that I’m repeating a well-publicized name, I’d politely suggest the problem is with them, not me. People post stuff here all the time that they know will upset me. I get over it. They can too. > I don’t think you’re in any position to judge my intent. You’ve misjudged it here. And I think you’ve misrepresented the reason for my suspension as well. > Once again, you’ve demonstrated that you’re bad at guessing my intent. Maybe you need to do some self reflection on how you express yourself? Everyone does from time to time. I know I make a drunken idiot out of myself here all the time; politics threads, game threads, you name it. But i try to be direct and to the point. With you, it always feels you are dancing around the point. Just say what it is you are trying to say. Stop making us “guess” your “intent”. Because it sounds like your intents are pretty un-empathetic, to put it mildly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-forget-do-we-have-a-general-hurricaneditka-pit-thread/805952.md?page=84)