# I get your skewed poll right here **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 1, 2013, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855 "2013-06-01T11:36:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/41 "2013-06-02T02:48:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think Rand Paul has the right ideas: > > [Rand Paul at Reagan Library: For Obama, 'everywhere a scandal'](http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-rand-paul-reagan-library-20130531,0,2216825.story?track=rss) > > At least for attracting younger voters to the GOP. Continually scream “Scandal! Scandal! Scandal!”? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/42 "2013-06-02T02:48:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > GWB excepted, the GOP has never been the warmonger party, despite that being a lie pushed by Democrats since LBJ. I remember the fond days of Mondale ads saying Reagan would start WWIII if he was reelected. > > Meanwhile, Democrats have shown far more of an interventionist streak than Republicans. **adaher** , [I have 1990 on the line and they’d like to talk to you about something](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War). [Also, 1983 left you a message](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada). [And 1985 would like to know when you have some time to look at a few things](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair). > [@zoid](#): > > Do you ever tire of being wrong? Isn’t it exhausting? Srsly. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/43 "2013-06-02T02:52:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > According to the predictions made right here on this board over the past few years, Republicans should already be losing badly. yet they have moved even further to the right and stayed competitive. An argument could be made that if they hadn’t moved further to the right, and nominated unelectable candidates in places like Nevada and Delaware, they’d already control all of Congress. Perhaps even the White House, given how much of the anti-Romney vote was because the President’s campaign tried to tie him to the far right. > > Anyway, the point of the thread was to show that between 2008 and 2012, a full 2.4 million voters in one important demographic(young voters) did not vote for Obama. Those are all winnable voters for the GOP, and elections are still close enough that 2.4 million is quite the swing group to compete for. And frankly, I doubt any plausible Democratic candidates for President over the next 8-12 years are going to be able to win them. What can Democrats promise that generation? That they’ll have to pay for their elders? Republicans actually have plans to relieve young people of that burden, and youthful candidates to explain those plans. The GOP held on this election due to gerrymandering. Not voting for Obama is a hell of a long way from voting for the other side. Even if they were all in play for your side, there is a lot more going on demographically. The GOP isn’t doing enough to maintain their share of the vote. It will all come down to the GOP’s ability to tolerate more difference within the party. Everyone may now lol at the likely result of that cognitive dissonance. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/44 "2013-06-02T02:54:06Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Are you suggesting Ronald Reagan could ACT?!?!? Americans love myth and Reagan could deliver. Set up the right story and we’ll all pitch in with the WSOD. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/45 "2013-06-02T03:01:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think Rand Paul has the right ideas: Well, broken clock, twice a day and all. [reads article] Well, his two chances will come later, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/46 "2013-06-02T03:03:40Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I have no objections to your characterization of > adaher, but I wonder, since the Democrats won, if it’s necessary to be so harsh > [@dropzone](#): > > Yes. I’m sick of being a gracious winner and then getting stomped on by a bunch of sore losers. As James Carville said, [We’re Right, They’re Wrong](http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0679769781), and we should start acting like it. My point was that the OP is just doing a little chest-thumping to accompany his severe self-deluding act\*. It doesn’t strike me that any actual “stomping” has been taking place. You know, except on his delusions. 🙂 \*For one thing, he appears the be neglecting that “right-wing” Europeans coming over here to join the electorate are _still_ more likely to find themselves philosophically aligned with Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/47 "2013-06-02T03:06:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > (and a case could be made that they are still supreme today given how many states they control+the House) BTW, did you know Democratic House candidates got 1.2 million more votes than Republicans in the 2012 elections? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/48 "2013-06-02T03:06:51Z")
C’mon, right-wing Europeans couldn’t even cross the English Channel in 1940. What are the chances they’ll make it all the way across the Atlantic? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/49 "2013-06-02T03:10:19Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Continually scream “Scandal! Scandal! Scandal!”? :dubious: Yeah, if I was in charge of the Republican Party, I don’t think “vote against politicians who’ve been involved in a scandal” is the direction I’d have chosen. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/50 "2013-06-02T03:11:16Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > BTW, did you know Democratic House candidates got 1.2 million more votes than Republicans in the 2012 elections? They can win more votes in the Senate and still lose the Senate, because of the gerrymandering the founders did. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/51 "2013-06-02T03:12:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If the GOP could persuade the 60s generation to back them, they can persuade anyone. That was a generation that should have cleaved to the Democrats forever, but it just didn’t happen. The youth of today are even more malleable. Why? Despite all sorts of unfounded claims about the “60s generation,” they were not all that locked on the Left. During Vietnam, polls consistently showed that that group had a slight majority that favored the war. (It was not a great majority, but it was hardly the massive leaning in the other direction that a lot of people believed.) Carter won because Ford pardoned Nixon and kept saying dumb things and hitting his head on airplane passageways, not because the “60s generation” swept him into office as the torch bearer for the Age of Aquarius. A better example would have been the “Greatest” Generation that really had locked into the Democrats for years, but then began falling away (with Nixon, not Reagan–Reagan picked up the last unionized holdouts after the rest of them had already switched sides) in the face of public conflict surrounding the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/52 "2013-06-02T03:21:53Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I have no objections to your characterization of > adaher, but I wonder, since the Democrats won, if it’s necessary to be so harsh That logic would work if he didn’t start a fucking Pit thread over it. He pretty much asked for a pile-on. He even previously said that he would no longer discuss anything but financial policy when it came to politics, as he recognized that he was too ignorant on other subjects, yet here he is breaking his word. I see no evidence that he has actually learned anything. He’s once again cherry picking polling numbers that he think support his side. He’s using data that Nate Silver himself probably wouldn’t take into account, because it’s all he has to defend his position. And I’m not entirely sure why he’s so devoted to a party that he only half agrees with. He’s even said he plans on voting for Clinton if she runs. Why would he want the GOP to survive, except after a huge change in values? Values that would negate any need to be looking for more old white people. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/53 "2013-06-02T03:31:55Z")
I would consider Clinton. I didn’t say I’d vote for her. I’m not supporting her over Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, or Chris Christie. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/54 "2013-06-02T03:40:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I would consider Clinton. I didn’t say I’d vote for her. I’m not supporting her over Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, or Chris Christie. I’m pretty sure the fact that you’d vote for the first three is good evidence that you’re not very smart. But I guess we have a lot of that already, right? 😃 Keep fucking that chicken, adaher, old chum. KFTC. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/55 "2013-06-02T03:53:39Z")
Harrumph. You just don’t understand true genius. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/56 "2013-06-02T04:02:03Z")
Let us know when it arrives. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/57 "2013-06-02T04:27:53Z")
You rang? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/58 "2013-06-02T04:36:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Harrumph. You just don’t understand true genius. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Let us know when it arrives. **Adaher** , a true genius would not continually set himself up like that. It’s like a fishing lure that imitates a crippled minnow perfectly: a fish can’t help but bite. Like Jerry Ford\*, you aren’t helping yourself by continually banging your head on doorways. - - Yes, I know Ford was not as clumsy as Chevy Chase made him out to be. I’m making a point based on the cliche. Work with me. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/59 "2013-06-02T04:57:26Z")
I feel good about democrats winning as long as adaher says that they won’t. Now when adaher starts predicting that the democrats are going to sweep everything in a landslide because of some polling or whatever, I’m going to know to be sad. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855/60 "2013-06-02T05:58:12Z")
Clinton is pretty much a lock if she wins the nomination. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-get-your-skewed-poll-right-here/659855.md?page=4)