# I gotta hand it to Saddam. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 20, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068 "2005-10-20T13:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/1 "2005-10-20T13:08:25Z")
He ain’t going down like a bitch. This is from the case yesterday when the judge asked him his name. . . > [@](#): > > “I can tell you are an Iraqi from your accent, and I’m sure you know who I am,” Mr. Hussein said. “My identity is as the president of the Republic of Iraq. And I ask, who are you, and what are you? Who are these judges?” > > The judge replied: “You are Saddam Hussein al-Majid, former president of Iraq, born 1937.” > > Mr. Hussein shot back, “I didn’t say ‘former president,’ I said ‘president,’ and I have the constitutional rights according to the constitution, among them immunity from prosecution.” But we really know it went more like this. . . Judge: What’s your name? Saddam: Fuck you. That’s my name. What’s your name? I also saw on the news yesterday an old Iraqi lady shouting at a camera. The translator had her saying, “I hope they kill him, and we will drink his blood.” That’s some good shit, man. Could you imagine Cindy Sheehan saying she wanted to drink Bush’s blood? You thought OJ was good? This one’s gonna be a humdinger. Looks like they hooked ol’ Saddam up with some box seats, too. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/2 "2005-10-20T13:13:52Z")
He’s got balls that drag the ground, no question. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/3 "2005-10-20T13:24:02Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > He’s got balls that drag the ground, no question. He started a tussle with one of the guards, too. I don’t know if he’s seriously deluded like he’s still president and he’s going to be able to assert his authority OR if he knows he’s completely lost so he might as well go down swinging. I don’t think we’re going to be seeing an, “oops, sorry” coming outta his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/4 "2005-10-20T13:31:31Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > I don’t know if he’s seriously deluded like he’s still president and he’s going to be able to assert his authority OR if he knows he’s completely lost so he might as well go down swinging. I don’t think he’s deluded. He’s not crazy-- he’s evil. And to tell you the truth, well . . . I’ve always wondered about that argument. Did he truly have immunity according to the old constitution? If so, isn’t the trial technically illegal? You can’t go back and prosecute someone for something that wasn’t a crime at the time it was committed, can you? If he does not recognize the new governement (which seems to be the POV of some Iraqis) isn’t he technically still president? I think the verdict is a foregone conculsion in either case, but I’ve always felt he should be tried by an international war-crimes tribunal, not by his victims. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/5 "2005-10-20T17:10:10Z")
Punchline to an old [tire nut](http://www.snopes.com/medical/asylum/tirenut.asp) joke… “Just because I’m crazy doesn’t mean I’m stupid.” ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/6 "2005-10-20T17:10:47Z")
I don’t think you get to _be_ Saddam, or someone like him, without having balls of steel in the first place. Yeah, I think it’s pretty entertaining too. He’s gonna go down swinging. “From Hell’s heart I stab at thee. For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee…” ---
**Author:** ![ioioio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ioioio/32/316_2.png) [@ioioio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ioioio)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/7 "2005-10-20T17:14:26Z")
As the old saying goes, once a monomaniacal dictator, always a monomaniacal dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Jman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jman/32/4416_2.png) [@Jman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jman)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/8 "2005-10-20T17:18:26Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > I don’t think he’s deluded. He’s not crazy-- he’s evil. > > And to tell you the truth, well . . . I’ve always wondered about that argument. Did he truly have immunity according to the old constitution? If so, isn’t the trial technically illegal? You can’t go back and prosecute someone for something that wasn’t a crime at the time it was committed, can you? > > If he does not recognize the new governement (which seems to be the POV of some Iraqis) isn’t he technically still president? > > I think the verdict is a foregone conculsion in either case, but I’ve always felt he should be tried by an international war-crimes tribunal, not by his victims. He’s being tried for violation of international law…war crimes. He’s not being tried according to Iraqi law. If I establish my own country where I am supreme ruler, and the only rule is “Jman is always right” I still can’t slaughter thousands of people and expect to get away with it, just because it was legal under my rule. As to the is he still president question: ‘His’ country no longer exists. If he wants to be president of that, he can, but there is a new government…and he has no power there. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/9 "2005-10-20T17:26:59Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > “From Hell’s heart I stab at thee. For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee…” Ahab or Khan? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/10 "2005-10-20T17:35:54Z")
> [@Jman](#): > > If I establish my own country where I am supreme ruler, and the only rule is “Jman is always right” I still can’t slaughter thousands of people and expect to get away with it, just because it was legal under my rule. Well, shit. So much for starting my own country. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/11 "2005-10-20T17:38:25Z")
> [@CynicalGabe](#): > > Well, shit. So much for starting my own country. It’s okay. You can be a Minister in my country and then stage a bloody coup d’etat. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/12 "2005-10-20T17:47:11Z")
Obligitory link: [http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/](http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/13 "2005-10-20T17:52:36Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > I think the verdict is a foregone conculsion in either case, but I’ve always felt he should be tried by an international war-crimes tribunal, not by his victims. The Milosivich (sp?) trial has been going on for 4 f-ing years! I don’t think that’s a better option. ---
**Author:** ![MelCthefirst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MelCthefirst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MelCthefirst)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/14 "2005-10-20T22:30:27Z")
Do you think he’s even mourned the loss of his sons and that he may never see his wife and grandchildren again? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/15 "2005-10-20T23:19:32Z")
> [@MelCthefirst](#): > > Do you think he’s even mourned the loss of his sons and that he may never see his wife and grandchildren again? If he is a true sociopath, they may hardly have crossed his mind, & certainly won’t have cost him sleep. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/16 "2005-10-20T23:33:37Z")
> [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](#): > > Obligitory link: > [http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/](http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/) This shouldn’t be funny, but it is. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/17 "2005-10-20T23:54:46Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The Milosivich (sp?) trial has been going on for 4 f-ing years! I don’t think that’s a better option. Why not? If he’s accused of thousands of crimes, shouldn’t each be examined and weighed based on their merits? I remember before the war, there was a thread about Saddam. Someone claimed that he and his sons were killing people by slowly feeding them through a plastic shredder. My bullshit meter went off, and I asked if there was any evidence of such a thing, or just rumors. (Remember Kuwaiti babies thrown from incubators, anyone?) Some smart Doper searched for commercial plastic shredders capable of shredding a person, and was not able to find any near large enough for the task. Each of the charges needs to be examined properly. If they just want to try him for a single murder, convict and execute him, so be it, but if all of the accusations I’ve heqard floated are piled on in the indictment, justice shouldn’t be dispensed by assuming if he’s guilty of one crime, he must be guilty of them all. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/18 "2005-10-21T00:02:25Z")
"…and when I’m back in power, _no more mister nice guy!"_ ---
**Author:** ![MelCthefirst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MelCthefirst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MelCthefirst)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/19 "2005-10-21T02:02:14Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > If he is a true sociopath, they may hardly have crossed his mind, & certainly won’t have cost him sleep. Has anyone diagnosed or tried to diagnose him with a personality disorder such as sociopath? ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068/20 "2005-10-21T02:07:43Z")
Is sociopath an actual disorder? ( pardon my blazing ignorance.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-gotta-hand-it-to-saddam/327068.md?page=2)