# I guess that makes Chelsea the Ho **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 9, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960 "2008-02-09T21:38:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/1 "2008-02-09T21:38:28Z")
So does anyone think that Hillary’s continued outrage over some guy at MSNBC saying she was “pimping” Chelsea is a manufactured attempt to win votes and sympathy as a mom protecting her baby? Because, really, the insult was to her, not to Chelsea. And because the guy apologized, but she won’t drop it. Plus, by keeping it in the news, she’s keeping the comment in the public eye. [http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/08/msnbc.clinton/index.html](http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/08/msnbc.clinton/index.html) I didn’t think the tears in NH were manufactured, but this strikes me as calculated and manufactured. The thing is, if she is (and she totally is), then it kinda proves the guy was right. She’s exploiting her child for votes by introducing the theme of angry mom bear even when she isn’t asked. Meanwhile, John McCain’s son is in Iraq and he doesn’t mention it in stump speeches. Nobody can call him a pimp. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/2 "2008-02-09T21:42:43Z")
_Calculated_? In somebody’s presidential campaign? You really think that’s possible? :rolleyes: Maybe she’s pushing back against the media-participating RW hate machine, and is therefore a bitch. If she didn’t, she’d be spineless. Oh, well … you can’t please everyone, so you got to please yourself. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/3 "2008-02-09T21:52:37Z")
She’s pushed back, and the guy apologized, and now she just brings it up mid-interview instead of talking about, like, the campaign or issues. Finding that weird has nothing to do with her being a woman and playing by different rules. I think that dog don’t hunt anymore. She’s running for president. She’s being treated like a candidate. I think bringing it up well after the fact is weird, and I suspect she wants the talking points to be about how some bad guy went after Chelsea and she rushed to her baby’s defense. And I think it’s bullshit. And I think the insult was to her, not Chelsea, and I think she’s proving it was deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/4 "2008-02-09T22:06:05Z")
[QUOTE=cricetus] She’s pushed back, and the guy apologized… [/QUOTE] Yeah, well fuck him. No one, even Hillary, should have to ‘push back’ against that sort of crap in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/5 "2008-02-09T22:08:35Z")
You’re seeing this guy as an isolated individual, not part of an interest group with its own well-developed subculture, and this crack as similarly isolated despite years of drumbeats about her “divisiveness” etc… It’s \*that \* powerful subculture and its actions and customs that she’s pushing against with this - and she’s using this because this time she has something incontestable to do so with, not a grievance vague enough for the likes of you to dismiss as whining or bitchiness or whatever the talking point du jour may be. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/6 "2008-02-09T22:17:24Z")
[QUOTE=cricetus] So does anyone think that Hillary’s continued outrage over some guy at MSNBC saying she was “pimping” Chelsea [/quote] Point of information: Isn’t “pimped out” a slang phrase for spiffing something up and/or making it over? A la “pimp my ride”? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/7 "2008-02-09T22:18:25Z")
Not if it refers to a young woman. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/8 "2008-02-09T22:22:02Z")
It was clearly a slam on HILLARY, not Chelsea, and by trying to make it a major talking point, Hillary proves she deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/9 "2008-02-09T22:43:29Z")
> **[Urban Dictionary: pimped out](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pimped+out)** > > pimped out: State your car will be in if you have added the gold trim package, curb feelers, continential kit, white wall tires, rims that are off set and... Here area few definitions I picked out: > [@](#): > > Used as an adjective: cool, awesome, worthy of a pimp or pimpette > [@](#): > > Having excessive embellishments or ornaments, particularly of the flashy kind, ie feathers in fedoras, black canes with silver handles, multicolored mis-matched shoes, and colorful crushed velvet suits. Preferably worn simultaneously. > [@](#): > > tight, nice,cool > [@](#): > > Funked up. Done up to be absolutely fan-fucking-tastic. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/10 "2008-02-09T22:49:08Z")
How a woman of Chelsea’s class and charm came from that pair of unctuous brats just boggles the mind. I’m figuring it was those eight formative years in the White House when her upbringing was, I presume, mostly in the hands of others. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/11 "2008-02-09T22:51:17Z")
He clearly wasn’t using it in the sense of “pimp my ride.” He was talking about whoring her out. He is rightfully being suspended, with possibly additional action. But, he also had a point. The Clintons are using Chelsea to campaign, while simultaneously demanding that the media not even think about interviewing her. It is a hypocritical position. The media should be allowed to ask her, for example, about the e-mails she sent out saying Obama wasn’t really pro-choice. The idea was that they’re using her while trying to keep her off limits. But he expressed it like an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/12 "2008-02-09T22:56:49Z")
Fox News will probably hire him. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/13 "2008-02-09T22:58:57Z")
Agreed that Chelsea seems pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/14 "2008-02-09T23:02:19Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] The idea was that they’re using her while trying to keep her off limits. But he expressed it like an asshole. [/QUOTE] So, not pimping so much as “cock tease”. Even if more accurate, I don’t see that one being perceived in any friendlier light! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/15 "2008-02-09T23:06:55Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] How a woman of Chelsea’s class and charm came from that pair of unctuous brats just boggles the mind. [/QUOTE] Perhaps your mind needs a bit of boggling about that, then - when theory and fact collide, fact wins, right? **Birchard** , [what do you mean?](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/09/former_first_child_steps_out/) > [@](#): > > Chelsea is touring college campuses across the country, including Bowdoin College in Maine, where she appeared last night in advance of tomorrow’s caucus. She has called prominent Democrats who are superdelegates and even hosts of the talk show, “The View,” to lobby for their vote. She tangled with Barack Obama supporters at a Nevada caucus site, and created a stir on Super Tuesday by bringing doughnuts and coffee to a Connecticut polling site that opened while she was still inside. > > In the process, the public has gotten a glimpse of the sophisticated, polished, wonky, guarded, and sometimes glib grown-up child of Bill and Hillary. She easily summons the same detailed answers her mother gives to policy questions, and chats up voters with cute comeback lines and lots of exclamation points. True, she’s averse to giving the Heathers talking points, and I’m sure you understand why as well as I do - but she’s hardly private and hardly inapproachable by “real people”, even though that’s a fairly recent development. The tactic of candidates using family members as campaign surrogates, and as image-humanizers for that matter, is as old as democracy itself, and the criticism we see of this example is so silly as to have the motives for it be automatically called into question. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/16 "2008-02-09T23:07:03Z")
I myself don’t understand the comment since family always gets sucked into a campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/17 "2008-02-09T23:09:50Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Perhaps your mind needs a bit of boggling about that, then - when theory and fact collide, fact wins, right? **Birchard** , [what do you mean?](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/09/former_first_child_steps_out/)True, she’s averse to giving the Heathers talking points, and I’m sure you understand why as well as I do - but she’s hardly private and hardly inapproachable by “real people”. [/QUOTE] My understanding–and I don’t really know since I’m not a reporter–is that the Clinton’s try to retain the media bubble around Chelsea that they had during the 90’s. This despite her active involvement in the campaign, as you note. That might be factually false. Like I said, I don’t have any way of judging except that I haven’t seen any interviews with her and this is what members of the media say. But it was nevertheless his point, which seems valid to me (if true). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/18 "2008-02-09T23:13:15Z")
Well, that linked story does confirm it - \*no \* media interviews. But that may be just the next stage in her becoming a public figure - once she’s more comfortable in the role, and has her antennas more finely calibrated, it will become “safe” for her to give interviews as well. But at this point, not even Larry King. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/19 "2008-02-10T02:37:00Z")
Clinton [might boycott the MSNBC debates](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/08/msnbc.clinton/index.html) over the insult. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960/20 "2008-02-10T02:54:51Z")
So David Schuster claims that Hillary is pimping out her own daughter and the OP is amazed that Hillary took offense to it? Imagine that. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-that-makes-chelsea-the-ho/436960.md?page=2)