# I guess the DNC is never going to learn **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 13, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346 "2025-05-13T21:36:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/21 "2025-06-02T16:46:14Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > If the DNC asked me for donations, I’d tell them “Losing coaches don’t get rewarded with salary raises or contract extensions.” [![](https://media1.tenor.com/m/xdBL4apO_fkAAAAd/sprinkles-are.gif) ](https://media1.tenor.com/m/xdBL4apO_fkAAAAd/sprinkles-are.gif) That’s a fact of life. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/22 "2025-06-02T16:48:59Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The DNC had all that money with which to defeat Trump, and they refused to. Refused to? Never attribute to malice that which is better explained by incompetence. > **[Hanlon's razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor)** > > Hanlon's razor is an adage, or rule of thumb, that states: > Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. It is a philosophical razor that suggests a way of eliminating unlikely explanations for human behavior. It is purportedly named after one Robert J. Hanlon, who submitted the statement to Murphy's Law Book Two: More Reasons Why Things Go Wrong! (1980). Similar statements have been recorded since at least the 18th century. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/23 "2025-06-02T16:57:10Z")
I donate money to democrats, but what is the point if it just leads to more Chuck Schumers or democrats like the 3 in the house who died in office in the last 4 months? Those 3 knew they had cancer before they won their election. I donated to David Hogg’s group who is looking to primary democrats. I’d happily vote to primary centrist, passive democrats in safe seats and replace them with better democrats. I’d also happily donate to moderate democrats in swing districts and swing states. But I’m not donating to support incompetent, moderate democrats in safe districts and safe states. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/24 "2025-06-02T20:29:36Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > But that’s not why Hogg is being removed. He’s being removed because he’s male. Cite? > **[DNC Leadership - Democrats](https://democrats.org/leadership-dnc/)** > > Explore DNC leadership -- working to guide the party, support candidates, and promote progressive values across the country. I count 8 people there, 5 men (one is Hogg), and 3 women. The Chair is Ken Martin.Tell me again how being male disqualifies one? > [@Babale](#): > > When it was originally announced that he (and Kenyatta, the other guy whose election is being challenged) were having their election reviewed? Read your own cite- _While the panel’s move was based on a procedural complaint unrelated to the broader controversy surrounding Hogg, the committee is giving DNC members another option to squeeze the vice chair after he promised to spend $20 million in Democratic primaries against incumbent House members in safe blue districts._ Clearly the DNC is using that challenge as an excuse. > [@Velocity](#): > > The whole purpose of the DNC - and having so many people who did donate to the DNC from 2016-2024 - was to prevent someone like Trump from being elected twice. The DNC had all that money with which to defeat Trump, and they refused to. Wrong. The DNC spends most of its $ on obscure downballot races. like for the House, where the Dem candidate isnt wealthy and cant attract enough donations on their own. Note that the House elections were very very close- whereas the pundits and GOP expected a 'red wave". So, the DNC spent wisely. The DNC did exactly what it was supposed to. Not to mention state races. Harris outspent trump with her own campaign $, but it didnt work. [https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2024-11-15/trump-harris-and-musk-how-money-did-and-didnt-affect-the-election](https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2024-11-15/trump-harris-and-musk-how-money-did-and-didnt-affect-the-election) > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I donated to David Hogg’s group who is looking to primary democrats. I’d happily vote to primary centrist, passive democrats in safe seats and replace them with better democrats. You know you and Velocity need to discuss. 😇 Look, the job of the DNC is to elect Democrats. Not spend valuable resources voting Democrats out of office- replacing them with more progressive- and thus more vulnerable candidates in the general elections. I’d rather have a moderate/liberal Democrats in office than a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/25 "2025-06-02T20:52:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Read your own cite- > > _While the panel’s move was based on a procedural complaint unrelated to the broader controversy surrounding Hogg, the committee is giving DNC members another option to squeeze the vice chair after he promised to spend $20 million in Democratic primaries against incumbent House members in safe blue districts._ > > Clearly the DNC is using that challenge as an excuse. I understand that, it’s exactly what I have a problem with. Like I said above, if they wanted to go through the process of creating a rule that makes what he’s doing forbidden, and then removing him, they absolutely should. They shouldn’t use his penis as an excuse to remove him. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/26 "2025-06-02T21:44:30Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > But that’s not why Hogg is being removed. He’s being removed because he’s male. > > I think that’s really dumb. The DNC does not understand men AT ALL, or even the US outside of the city. Abortion, abortion, abortion, OK fine, and they would like men to rally around this cause. Gun rights, or other mostly male issues, no you can’t have any at all. Toxic masculinity is the problem. Urban vs Rural? No those country people will do as we say, their time is past. It is like the DNC is being run by the staff at _The View._ Get used to losing the next couple of election cycles. The urban women’s vote will not get you over the top. Hillary learned that, Kamala learned that. How many more lessons do you need? Anyone that thinks the next Democratic President will be a woman is quite delusional. You have to get the men’s vote too. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/27 "2025-06-03T05:49:40Z")
Meanwhile, in the main dining room of the _Titanic,_ the maitre’d is berating the wait-staff for arranging the _hors d’oeuvres_ longitudinally instead of in semi-circles. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/28 "2025-06-03T07:06:36Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Urban vs Rural? No those country people will do as we say, their time is past. What are the “country people” being forced to do? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/29 "2025-06-04T10:39:28Z")
Question from a non-American: does suburban count as “urban” or “rural”? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/30 "2025-06-04T10:52:30Z")
I’m not @Dallas_Jones, but historically US suburbia is a mixed bag. Attitudinally more urban / educated / culturally liberal which corelates with D voting. But also wealthier on average, which correlates with the “low taxes are all I care about” strain of traditional Republicanism. To the degree the modern R party has embraced freedumb as their cultural touchstone, that puts the suburbanites pretty firmly on the urban side of the divide. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/31 "2025-06-04T11:12:47Z")
When they go low, we ask for $20. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/32 "2025-06-04T12:02:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Question from a non-American: does suburban count as “urban” or “rural”? In some countries, the transition from urban to rural is sudden. One side of the street, all built up, the other side, solid farmland. In the U.S., the transition is gradual, both in the physical infrastructure and politically. So inner suburbs tend to be strongly Democratic, with Republican voting percentages rising as you move away from the city. Even in a city, the outlying areas, if the city is physically big enough, can be Republican. An example is Staten Island, the most distant part of New York City from the urban core. It hasn’t always been like this. And there are still a few Republican cities. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/33 "2025-06-04T12:05:21Z")
So it’s not so much an urban/rural divide, it’s more of an urban/rural spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/34 "2025-06-04T12:26:00Z")
I think that’s accurate. The term exurb is an attempt to capture that spectrum. Exurbs are farther out from the city, less densely populated, and often more conservative that the city and close in suburbs. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/35 "2025-06-04T13:50:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > To the degree the modern R party has embraced freedumb as their cultural touchstone, that puts **the suburbanites pretty firmly on the urban side of the divide.** There’s a lot of regional variation with the bolded, I think. The suburbs of many (most?) large Southern cities were/are made up of a lot of people who left the cities during the “**[white flight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight)**” of the 1950s-1970s. The Republican Party’s Southern Strategy was aimed at these new suburbanites (among others), and it’s gone over swimmingly into the present day. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/36 "2025-06-04T15:09:30Z")
Posted in error ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/37 "2025-06-04T15:17:33Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Anyone that thinks the next Democratic President will be a woman is quite delusional. > > You have to get the men’s vote too. Don’t you think men are more likely to vote for a woman with policies that appeal to men than a man who keeps the current policies and rhetoric? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/38 "2025-06-04T15:34:34Z")
Men that are thinking about policies? Sure. Men who are thinking about team t-shirts? Not so much. Remember that a hell of a lot of voters of both sexes seem to want to vote for who they think will win, not who they prefer on policy grounds. It just feels better to back a winner; even an evil winner. And most of those voters would not recognize a policy if it fell on their foot. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/39 "2025-06-04T15:47:58Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Remember that a hell of a lot of voters of both sexes seem to want to vote for who they think will win, not who they prefer on policy grounds. It just feels better to back a winner; even an evil winner. I believe you’re right, even though it makes no sense with a secret ballot. But I was thinking of this story that was on social media back in 2021: > **[Va. GOP Nomination for Lt. Gov. Draws Controversy With Campaign Photo of Rifle](https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/va-gop-nomination-for-lt-gov-draws-controversy-with-campaign-photo-of-rifle/2672742/)** > > The woman who won Virginia’s GOP nomination for lieutenant governor is defending a campaign sign of her holding a rifle, which has drawn controversy among those outside the Republican Party. Seems like something the Onion would dream up, but no: Republicans really will vote for a black woman if she’s holding an assault rifle. 😂 Makes me think swing voters would vote for a woman if she managed to signal that she was one of them/on their side well enough. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346/40 "2025-06-05T01:04:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Question from a non-American: does suburban count as “urban” or “rural”? Tough question. I remember discussion about urban versus rural on this very board twenty years ago or so. One poster insisted if you had a neighborhood made up of single family homes with little yards you could not be considered urban. The US census considers an area urban if there are at least 2,000 housing units or the population is at least 5,000 in a given area. I’m not sure how big that given area is though. But then it gets even more complicated because urban was a code word for Black for many years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-the-dnc-is-never-going-to-learn/1018346.md?page=3)