# I Guess this Rich Fuckin' Banker \[Dominique Strauss-Kahn\] is Too Cheap to Hire a Hooker **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 15, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956 "2011-05-15T02:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/341 "2011-07-01T19:05:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So far as I can tell, the absolute worst that happens to women for making false claims of rape is that they get charged with filing a false police report. And that doesn’t happen very often. There should be a much more severe punishment, commensurate with the damage such allegations cause. > > Why is it against the law to defraud someone out of money but not to bankrupt them with false rape allegations and ruin their lives? Compared to the consequences of phony rape charges, fraud is a walk in the park. I agree there should be severe consequences against the accuser when the rape allegations are false. But you must also admit there may be a negative consequence to doing this: a woman who is actually raped may be afraid to file a police report for fear she might be accused of lying if her story doesn’t perfectly add up. To alleviate these fears, it should be understood that severe consequences against the accuser should only occur when it is \*proven \*the accuser is lying. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/342 "2011-07-01T19:27:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The cops did their job the way they’re supposed to. They suspected the woman of making up the robbery/rape to cover her own theft of store funds. They almost certainly had evidence of some sort to substantiate this. I imagine the woman then sat in jail for several days either because a bail hearing had not yet taken place or because she didn’t have money for bail. Then, once another robbery/rape with a similar M.O. took place, they discovered she was telling the truth and she was released. > > So what happened was that a suspect was arrested based on evidence the police had at the time, and then released after it became evident that she was innocent. Happens all the time in police work and for all sorts of crime. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not necessarily. A lot of the false allegations could get dismissed long before forensics would become involved. Many false rape claims probably result from domestic quarrels in which the police are able to determine that the charges are bogus and no one ever gets booked. My guess is that the sheriff’s deputy is likely referring to the total number of rape allegations he and his fellow deputies hear in the field vs. those where forensic evidence is collected and the case goes to trial. Or when the cops just decide that it’s a false allegation, without investigating the claim at all. Some people think that if a victim doesn’t physically resist, then it wasn’t really rape, for instance. Or she brought it on herself somehow, or she really wanted it, or that it was regret sex. And some of the people who have these beliefs are cops. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/343 "2011-07-01T21:21:23Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I agree there should be severe consequences against the accuser when the rape allegations are false. But you must also admit there may be a negative consequence to doing this: a woman who is actually raped may be afraid to file a police report for fear she might be accused of lying if her story doesn’t perfectly add up. To alleviate these fears, it should be understood that severe consequences against the accuser should only occur when it is \*proven \*the accuser is lying. I agree. I guess I just never thought to include the “proven” part in making my case. The miscreant should be tried and found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt just like anyone else accused of a crime. > [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > Or when the cops just decide that it’s a false allegation, without investigating the claim at all. Some people think that if a victim doesn’t physically resist, then it wasn’t really rape, for instance. Or she brought it on herself somehow, or she really wanted it, or that it was regret sex. And some of the people who have these beliefs are cops. And sometimes in the course of questioning it becomes apparent that the alleged victim of rape is making the whole thing up out of thin air. Still, cops do make assumptions in evaluating a case, and sometimes those assumptions are incorrect or unfair. But that doesn’t mean women should be given a free pass simply by crying rape. Look, women are human beings just like men, and just like men some of them are capable of extraordinary feats of chicanery. If you think there aren’t women out there who wouldn’t think twice about using accusations of rape in order to get custody of children, get back at a domestic partner, or cover up theft or other illegal act, then you’ve either lead an awfully sheltered life or you’re simply blinded by bias favoring your own sex. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/344 "2011-07-02T00:19:13Z")
A lot of the people talking about punishment for “false accusations” of rape seem to be jumping to conclusions in this case. Even if one accepts the fact that there may be “reasonable doubt” as to whether or not DSK was guilty of rape, that’s a far cry from conclusively proving that the woman falsely accused him of rape. As it is, this case seems to be more evidence that if you’re a woman who accuses a man of rape, expect your past to dredged up and if it’s not spotless, you’re going to have problems. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/345 "2011-07-02T01:46:35Z")
True, true, it is possible both of them are in the wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/346 "2011-07-02T02:19:23Z")
Yep, now would be a good time to not jump to the conclusion that is opposite to the conclusion that many people jumped to at first. Lying, money laundering women with druggie friends can still be raped too, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/347 "2011-07-02T02:22:33Z")
But it is OK to rape some women, because they lied on paperwork. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![colonial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@colonial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colonial)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/348 "2011-07-02T02:24:48Z")
This study published 1994 (first cited in this thread by another member using another link- does anyone besides me ever read these things?) established that rape accusations were false by the accuser’s own admission in 45/109 (41%) cases during a 9-year period in an unnamed Midwestern city of 70,000; [False Rape Allegations : Eugene J. Kanin : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive](http://www.archive.org/details/FalseRapeAllegations) (Original article, open via pdf) (from link, my emphasis): > [@](#): > > **…for a declaration of false charge to be made, the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred…these cases are declared false only because the complainant admitted they are false** Other data from the article relates false acccusation estimates from elswhere ranging from 0.25% to 100% of the total (!). I had until today assumed that over 90% of all rape accusations were likely to be true because I simply did not think there could be so many accusers demented or venal enough to make something like that up. In short, I was guilty of bias in favor of the accuser. Well, my days of bias are over and done with as far as this issue goes: I will henceforth assume that a rape charge may as easily be false as true. I am aware of the fact that one small Midwestern city is nowhere near a suitable sample from which to draw national inference. However, I think it is enough to justify taking a fresh and completely unbiased view of the matter, and that means giving the accused equal standing with the accuser, as I think everyone should do to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/349 "2011-07-02T02:36:04Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > But it is OK to rape some women, because they lied on paperwork. ☹ I have checked this thread high and low and I can’t find a single instance of anyone saying that raping women was okay under any circumstance. Perhaps you can point me to where they did, 'cause I’m just not seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/350 "2011-07-02T03:10:35Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > But, in the name of trying to help you out, the police should DETAIN someone who has had sexual intercourse with someone who is CLAIMING to have raped them. > […] I totally disagree. Ignoring the case of DSK who was about to leave the country, why would a mere statement by the alleged victim be enough to detain someone? Investigate, certainly. Protect the victim, certainly too (restraining order, etc…) But what would make necessary to arrest and detain the alleged rapist, as long as there aren’t strong evidences against him? Arresting and detaining someone has severe consequence (losing your job, for instance), and of course is in itself harsh. I understand that’s the problem with rape. It’s as easy to accuse someone of rape (I didn’t want to have sex with him) as it is to deny it (she did want to have sex with me), so it might be difficult to find evidences one way or another. Doesn’t justify arrest and detention barring peculiar circumstances (multiple rape accusations, reasons to believe the intercourse is unlikely to have been consensual, etc…), though. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/351 "2011-07-02T05:12:47Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Didn’t seem to be a case of overzealous cops or judges to me. They found his semen in her after all, right? So, it was her word against his. For just about all of time what that meant was the rich (white or otherwise) MAN was the one believed, and the woman disbelieved. > > What would you suggest? That the police don’t take allegations of rape seriously when they have DNA evidence that in fact sexual intercourse did in fact happen?? They wouldn’t have arrested him and this woman wouldn’t have been able to make such a charge (or make it as strongly) if this guy hasn’t fucked her and left evidence that he’d fucked her…right? So…he did this to himself, even if this woman set out to purposely seduce this guy (which is not anything even the accused claimed afaik) because, you know, unless she was holding a gun to his head and making him take it out it was his choice to have sex with her. > > -XT I understand arresting someone who has been accused of rape. It is a serious and violent crime. But he was also denied the right to move about on the basis that ‘he was rich’ and a flight risk. I’m not sure exactly how that would’ve went over if he had scurried (somehow passing customs) to France to go run in an election. I honestly didn’t think him to be a flight risk at all. So for all of the ‘well, rich men can just _buy_ their defense!’ crud, I’d say there’s just as much judgment being flung at him for being rich. Also not sure if the DA would’ve cared so much if he _weren’t_ loaded and (somewhat) famous. SK has incurred quite a bit in defense charges already, not to mention the loss of future earnings. Cash he won’t get back due to some woman’s (if she is lying, that is) folly. Good god, his career has been stalled, if not ended. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > They found semen somewhere. I believe the allegation is that he forced her into oral sex. So it may have been found on her dress, the carpet, wherever. When will they ever learn that she just may keep the dress? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/352 "2011-07-02T05:17:51Z")
> [@colonial](#): > > This study published 1994 (first cited in this thread by another member using > another link- does anyone besides me ever read these things?) established that > rape accusations were false by the accuser’s own admission in 45/109 (41%) > cases during a 9-year period in an unnamed Midwestern city of 70,000; > > [False Rape Allegations : Eugene J. Kanin : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive](http://www.archive.org/details/FalseRapeAllegations) (Original article, open via pdf) > > (from link, my emphasis): > > Other data from the article relates false acccusation estimates from > elswhere ranging from 0.25% to 100% of the total (!). > > I had until today assumed that over 90% of all rape accusations were likely > to be true because I simply did not think there could be so many accusers > demented or venal enough to make something like that up. > > In short, I was guilty of bias in favor of the accuser. > > Well, my days of bias are over and done with as far as this issue goes: > I will henceforth assume that a rape charge may as easily be false as true. > > I am aware of the fact that one small Midwestern city is nowhere near a > suitable sample from which to draw national inference. However, I think > it is enough to justify taking a fresh and completely unbiased view of the > matter, and that means giving the accused equal standing with the accuser, > as I think everyone should do to begin with. **Colonial** , I don’t think that study is really fair as it takes what the _officer_ thinks as fact. It’s been attacked a few times. Plus it doesn’t fit with other studies. Unless of course you were joking, as that link also says > [@](#): > > Keywords: debunking feminist bullshit; false rape allegations; lies; men-haters; pseudologia fantastica; pseudologia phantastica; sexual delusions; > Publisher: Alexander Baron ---
**Author:** ![colonial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@colonial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colonial)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/353 "2011-07-02T05:56:04Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > **Colonial** , I don’t think that study is really fair as it takes what the _officer_ thinks as fact. I do not see how how an officer can “think” that a complaintant has admitted to making false charges when in fact she is sticking with those charges. > [@CitizenPained](#): > > It’s been attacked a few times. Cite with details please. Also, an attack in itself means nothing unless its weapons are a persuasive combination of evidence and logic. > [@CitizenPained](#): > > Plus it doesn’t fit with other studies. It doesn’t? How do you know? How many have you read, what was the sampling procedure, how many cases of accusation were studied, and what was criteria for judging the truth of the accusations? As I said before the document I cite mentions mentions a 99.75% range in variation in other estimates of the frequency of false rape allegation. And if that variation is that great then we would do best to start from scratch, and do so with none of the bias that must have infected many of the earlier studies. > [@CitizenPained](#): > > Unless of course you were joking, as that link also says (1) I do not joke about serious subjects such as this. (2) You did not open _my_ link, which, as I clearly stated, contains the original publication in its entirety. Here it is again, please avail yourself before continuing to address me: > **[False Rape Allegations : Eugene J. Kanin : Free Download, Borrow, and...](http://archive.org/details/FalseRapeAllegations)** > > False Rape Allegations by Eugene J. Kanin, Ph.D., published in the Archives Of Sexual Behavior, Volume 23, No 1, 1994, pages 81-91. This is a PDF file of an... ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/354 "2011-07-02T06:18:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I have checked this thread high and low and I can’t find a single instance of anyone saying that raping women was okay under any circumstance. Perhaps you can point me to where they did, 'cause I’m just not seeing it. I think he was implying that females who are poor witnesses can be raped with impunity if the perpetrator is psycho and the strength of the evidence turns upon the credibility of the witness , alas. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![colonial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@colonial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colonial)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/355 "2011-07-02T06:36:49Z")
[QUOTE=colonial] (2) You did not open _my_ link, which, as I clearly stated, contains the original publication in its entirety. [/QUOTE] Pardon the mistake by me, you did refer to my link. However, the poor choice of keywords does not change the fact that the citation author was a PhD Purdue University faculty member and the citation publisher was and still is an academic peer-review journal. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/356 "2011-07-02T06:48:24Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I think he was implying that females who are poor witnesses can be raped with impunity if the perpetrator is psycho and the strength of the evidence turns upon the credibility of the witness , alas. ☹ Alas indeed. We should teach our children “Don’t tell lies, because the day may come when great wrong will occur if you are not believed.” Perhaps some illustrative pastoral story would help? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/357 "2011-07-02T09:34:23Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I think he was implying that females who are poor witnesses can be raped with impunity if the perpetrator is psycho and the strength of the evidence turns upon the credibility of the witness , alas. ☹ I think the lesson from this is much simpler and should not deter any woman from reporting a rape. That lesson is: don’t tell a string of fucking lies to the police. If this maid was raped she has nobody to blame but herself if her rapist walks away scot free. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/358 "2011-07-02T15:45:30Z")
> [@colonial](#): > > Cite with details please. Also, an attack in itself means nothing > unless its weapons are a persuasive combination of evidence and logic. I’ll do it myself. Kanin’s study consists of enumerating what he was told by an anonymous police force. The rape victims themselves were not involved in the study; Kanin never spoke to them. The findings can obviously not be independently researched or investigated, because nobody else knows who he was talking to. So already there’s two possible points of concern - 1. for all we know Kanin could have simply counted wrong, or made some other mistake, since we can’t verify anything he says he was told; and 2. we have no reason to believe that this particular police force’s determination of a false allegation is infallible, and we can’t verify what they reportedly said, even if they said it. On that second point, in fact, note that the police department “offered” a polygraph as part of every investigation: > [@](#): > > And indeed, the Kanin study has been criticized for the department’s use of polygraph > testing in every case, a process that has been rejected by many police departments > because of its intimidating impact on victims. The International Association of Chiefs of > Police disapproves of requiring polygraph tests during rape investigations because “victims > often feel confused and ashamed, and experience a great deal of self-blame because of > something they did or did not do in relation to the sexual assault. These feelings may > compromise the reliability of the results of such interrogation techniques. [Page 4.](http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/family_law/pdf/duke_lacrosse_case.pdf) That link also says that polygraph policy is > [@](#): > > now deemed unlawful by the U.S. > Congress for police departments receiving federal funds Now, contrast the above, a single study performed behind a curtain, with the however many dozen sets of statistics released by entities like the FBI, the British government, the police departments of various municipalities in the United States who are not anonymous, and a bunch of other independent researchers like Kanin, which as you (sort of) noted generally end up providing a number way down in the single digits. That Kanin’s 41% is just as likely the “true” number as all the much lower numbers from other studies is a conclusion you could draw, if you wanted. I think it’s fair to wonder whether anybody who says this study ought to wipe out all other data that’s ever been collected so that we now should assume that every accusation is just as likely false as true (even though not even this god-damned study supports _that_) wasn’t predisposed to coming to that conclusion no matter how compelling the evidence was. If you want to read an actual expert talking about it, you can read [this](http://vaw.sagepub.com/content/16/12/1318.abstract). > [@](#): > > Kanin describes no effort to systemize his own ‘evaluation’of the police reports—for example, by listing details or facts that he used to evaluate the criteria used by the police to draw their conclusions. Nor does Kanin describe any effort to compare his evaluation of those reports to that of a second, independent research— providing a ‘reliability’ analysis.This violates a cardinal rule of science, a rule designed to ensure that observations are not simply the reflection of the bias of the observer ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/359 "2011-07-02T15:55:41Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I think the lesson from this is much simpler and should not deter any woman from reporting a rape. That lesson is: don’t tell a string of fucking lies to the police. If this maid was raped she has nobody to blame but herself if her rapist walks away scot free. Shouldn’t “Don’t tell lies to the police” apply to Strauss-Kahn, too? It seems that the rapist has some blame for walking free as well. I’ll acknowledge that he may not be a rapist. He may just be someone who had a completely anonymous sexual encounter with a chambermaid that resulted in her having a [torn ligament in her shoulder](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/01/dominique-strauss-kahn-accuser-s-prison-connection.html). So maybe the lesson is: don’t have anonymous, dangerously rough sex with chambermaids. If you like sex that rough, make sure your partner is someone you can trust, or face the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956/360 "2011-07-02T19:19:19Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > Shouldn’t “Don’t tell lies to the police” apply to Strauss-Kahn, too? It seems that the rapist has some blame for walking free as well. Ahem! He’s an **alleged** rapist. > [@](#): > > I’ll acknowledge that he may not be a rapist. He may just be someone who had a completely anonymous sexual encounter with a chambermaid that resulted in her having a [torn ligament in her shoulder](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/01/dominique-strauss-kahn-accuser-s-prison-connection.html). Is there evidence that DSK caused this injury? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-guess-this-rich-fuckin-banker-dominique-strauss-kahn-is-too-cheap-to-hire-a-hooker/581956.md?page=19)