Well, shit, I’ll take a shot at it, since everyone else is.
The false rape accuser should be thrown in jail for a few years.
The cops that don’t do their jobs should be fired.
The actual rapists should be executed.
Next.
Good point. He stuck his private parts into the mouth of the hired help. Nothing wrong with that, nothing at all. All members of the Ruling Class are allowed to mouth-rape the serving class.
She has a history of false statements. He has a history of sticking his we-wee where it isn’t wanted. Who ought to go to jail? Who will?
Shame about that ‘Presumed innocent until found guilty’ thing, eh? Let’s just throw it aside because he’s accused of rape, okay?
Nothing wrong at all if it was consensual.
If he really mouth raped her, then it is up to her to prove it. The presumption of innocence doesnt get suspended once in a while for the rich, so one of them gets sacrificed to satisfy the masses in a gesture of fake egalitarianism.
Are the consequences of false rape allegations more severe than those of false murder claims? False armed robbery allegations? False bribery allegations?
Since this thread is about a crime which occurred in America, I’ll give you a US citation:
You’re on your own with the UK. I have no idea how rape victims are viewed in the UK, not having lived there in 15-odd years.
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She has a history of false statements. He has a history of sticking his we-wee where it isn’t wanted. Who ought to go to jail? Who will?
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We’ll find out tomorrow after America votes. Text ‘Frenchie’ if you think Strauss-Kahn did it, ‘Beulah’ if you think the maid is lying.
I have no clue who is and isn’t lying in this case, but the accuser getting ripped to shred by the defense is a “you can count on it” in any rape trial whether she’s telling the truth or not. When the defendant is super-rich, it’s exponentially moreso.
Didn’t seem to be a case of overzealous cops or judges to me. They found his semen in her after all, right? So, it was her word against his. For just about all of time what that meant was the rich (white or otherwise) MAN was the one believed, and the woman disbelieved.
What would you suggest? That the police don’t take allegations of rape seriously when they have DNA evidence that in fact sexual intercourse did in fact happen?? They wouldn’t have arrested him and this woman wouldn’t have been able to make such a charge (or make it as strongly) if this guy hasn’t fucked her and left evidence that he’d fucked her…right? So…he did this to himself, even if this woman set out to purposely seduce this guy (which is not anything even the accused claimed afaik) because, you know, unless she was holding a gun to his head and making him take it out it was his choice to have sex with her.
-XT
If a case comes down to her word on the issue of consent the of course it’s inevitable, going to credibility. In this case, though, it’s the prosecution that have managed to discredit her.
They found semen somewhere. I believe the allegation is that he forced her into oral sex. So it may have been found on her dress, the carpet, wherever.
You mean the police should arrest anyone that have had sexual intercourse because rape is a form of sexual intercourse as well? I didnt know every time I had sex I risked being charged for rape. But then again I dont live in La-La Land.
In a rule of law society, you dont arrest someone without some evidence of a crime. What was the evidence here except her testimony?
If the suspect is high profile, you think twice before booking him, not because he’s powerful and powerful people shouldnt be prosecuted, but because the consequences can be huge (especially if you have to drop the case later on) and that’s part of the equation. So, far the NYC police and judiciary have managed to get DSK out of his IMF post and flushed any chances he had of becoming France’s President down the toilet. And all that, maybe for nothing.
Maybe DSK did rape her, but as the judiciary seems to have jack they shouldnt have rushed so madly at getting him without backing up their case.
First off, I really like your comparison of how we as a society no longer want to hear about ascribing responsibility to some women who are raped for how they dress provocatively, to a rich ugly man with a taste for philandering who shouldn’t be surprised when he is accused of rape by a total stranger temptress .
I don’t see a problem with the justice system however. Early reports had me convinced the Duke boys and this “Rich Fuckin Banker” were guilty and I’m certain I’m not alone. The problem is all of us who feel a need to establish a conclusion as to guilt or innocence long before all the facts are investigated.
By the discrepancy between the presentation of the “slut walk” argument and your characterization of DSK, I’m gonna have to assume you’re being sarcastic here. And, such,as you’ve just reversed the tables of bias.
That’s not fighting bias, that’s just breathing new life into it.
The cops did their job the way they’re supposed to. They suspected the woman of making up the robbery/rape to cover her own theft of store funds. They almost certainly had evidence of some sort to substantiate this. I imagine the woman then sat in jail for several days either because a bail hearing had not yet taken place or because she didn’t have money for bail. Then, once another robbery/rape with a similar M.O. took place, they discovered she was telling the truth and she was released.
So what happened was that a suspect was arrested based on evidence the police had at the time, and then released after it became evident that she was innocent. Happens all the time in police work and for all sorts of crime.
I don’t know if it’s a problem with the justice system or with some specific individuals, but it seems to me that NYPD went from accusation to arrest at the speed of light - as if they had a strong first glance case and a strong witness. Although DSK’s guilt has seemed unlikely to me from the start, I always assumed there was at least a reasonable case against him. This latest development is just weird.
As for the Duke boys, well, the mountain might get them but the law never will.
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You mean the police should arrest anyone that have had sexual intercourse because rape is a form of sexual intercourse as well? I didnt know every time I had sex I risked being charged for rape. But then again I dont live in La-La Land.
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Perhaps you should take a reading course in whatever land you DO live in? Just a suggestion, since it seems that you are having serious comprehension issues.
But, in the name of trying to help you out, the police should DETAIN someone who has had sexual intercourse with someone who is CLAIMING to have raped them. I realize that this is a difficult concept to grasp, but try and follow along.
His DNA? Whether he came in her mouth, on her clothes or in her they have evidence that he had some sexual contact with this woman. And they have her statement that the contact was against her will. That seems to be enough to charge the man and detain him.
Again, what would you suggest? They they just let him go (back to France) because he’s rich and a man and couldn’t possibly have raped this woman based on the fact that rich men would never rape poor maids? That they flip a coin?
Seriously? So, they have DNA evidence against him, they have the maids assertion that the sex was against her will, but they shouldn’t detain him and look into it further because the consequences might be ‘huge’??
Even leaving aside your vague innuendo that this is some kind of political conspiracy, how is this a rational course? Why should we let a rich and powerful guy off just because he says it wasn’t rape?
As for his losing his IMF post and possibly a chance to get elected President of France, well…got to hate that! 
Possibly he shouldn’t have fucked a hotel maid and opened himself up to the chance of being accused of rape.
Again, what should they have done?? They HAD evidence that he had sexual intercourse with this woman. They had her statement that it was rape. What do they do after that? Just let him go back to France while they gather more evidence? How is that right or fair? What would they do if they found the evidence to confirm it was rape? Would he voluntarily come back to the US to face trial? :dubious: Do you feel the same way about every alleged rape? If the accused was a young Hispanic male and the accuser was a white woman, and she said the guy had raped her and the police had DNA evidence would you be ok with the police letting the guy go while they looked for more evidence??
-XT
All I’m doing is presenting the double standard. Did I mischaracterize DSK ?
Just for the record, it’s the prosecutors who are calling the woman’s credibility into question here, based on their investigation. It isn’t the defense playing smear the victim.
Wow XTisme you sure know how to crank up the moron factor.
Was that some kind of internal monologue adressed to yourself that, somehow, managed to make its way into your post, cause your “answers” manage to not really be linked to anything I stated.
I never said that he should be released because he is rich and powerful, but you dont rush in to do a botched job so that you can benefit from the flashes of the media. Apparently, deficiency in comprehension is your one trick. I would hate to rob that from you.
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Conspiracy theories? You know the reason your arguments reek of shit is probably linked to the orifice they come from. Yeah, I guess if one person accuses someone of rape and the only proof you got is an unverifiable testimony and some traces of sex intercourse, it can only mean the accusing party is right. I mean in all proper systems that’s how it works right, you get accused and then you have to prove you didnt do it. Oh wait, it’s the reverse?
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Yeah, I had forgotten there was a law against fucking with the help. Whenever I read this kind of statements, I wonder what the fuck happened to our own Puritan morons back here, and then I remember. We sent them on a ship across the ocean so they could start a country of their own.
It’s obvious that any time you have extra marital sex you risk being faced with rape accusations and spend some time in prison, no matter what.
What a fucking mess of a mind you got there.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I wasn’t addressing those circumstances as I really haven’t looked at the facts very closely, I was just making a generic statement that cops that don’t do their jobs should be fired.