# I had no idea Victoria Jackson was such a nut. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 22, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652 "2011-03-22T21:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/41 "2011-03-23T13:37:54Z")
Beats workin’ I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/42 "2011-03-23T13:43:51Z")
Huh. I did not know that about her. I will say that back in the SNL days that I kind of thought she was hot, that’s about the extent of my willingness to consider her. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/43 "2011-03-23T13:46:48Z")
Right lady. Cause God knows, you didn’t get to where you are now in the public eye by working with any gay people in the entertainment industry whatsoever. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/44 "2011-03-23T14:12:24Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Was Saturday Night Live even any good from 1986 to 1992? > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The cast during that period included Mike Myers, Phil Hartman, Dana Carvey and Kevin Nealon. So yes, it was pretty good then. > [@RickJay](#): > > Those were some of its most brilliant years. They produced some fantastic comedy. I would say that the late '80s-mid '90s period was _Saturday Night Live_’s best run, hands down. Victoria Jackson and Dennis Miller did some good work on that show before they lost their minds. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/45 "2011-03-23T14:14:48Z")
> [@TravisFromOR](#): > > Was it even good after 1992? > (Actually, I thought it was good until the mid-90’s. Then I stopped watching.) They’ve had a few good years, but overall it’s been pretty hit-or-miss since the Hartman-Carvey-Myers era. I’ll echo what others have said in that 1986-1992 was sort of a second golden age for them (their classic Bush, Clinton, Perot debate parody, for example, has to rate as one of the top five funniest things I’ve ever seen on television). But I can’t recall Victoria Jackson having any memorable recurring characters, other than just the general bubbleheaded bleached blonde archetype. I did love her voice, though. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/46 "2011-03-23T14:26:42Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > I would say that the late '80s-mid '90s period was _Saturday Night Live_’s best run, hands down. Victoria Jackson and Dennis Miller did some good work on that show before they lost their minds. Miller didn’t really lose his mind as much as he became a pants-wetting conservative who gets the vapors just thinking about Islam and terrorism. Not the same level of crazy as Ms. Jackson, unless I missed something, because I’ve stopped caring about those two. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Edie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/50afbb/32.png) [@Little\_Edie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Edie)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/47 "2011-03-23T14:31:10Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I love when she said she has no ambition to be a success anymore because if she is Obama will just take everything away from her. Apparently she saw Obama coming from as far back as 1992 and decided to go ahead and put her career in low drive then. _Celebrity Fit Camp_ is her biggest thing since SNL and she spent the entire time bitching about how mean her father was, but then she gives “Get over it” rants in her columns to people who had far worse childhoods. Total nutter and airhead and I’ve no idea how even the Tea Party took her in. Part of me wonders if she just wants attention, or to fit in somewhere (anywhere). I actually quite liked her on SNL, but maybe (like so many ex cast members) she couldn’t find success outside the show. Or she got tired of celebrity. And now, as an aging actress who’s gained weight, she’s no longer wanted, and she’s simply trying to find a new schtick that works for her and makes her feel popular and wanted (by other crazies), even if she doesn’t believe it all. Or she’s just gone nuts. ---
**Author:** ![clarkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@clarkstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clarkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/48 "2011-03-23T15:41:46Z")
she must be joking, right? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/49 "2011-03-23T15:55:22Z")
She’s been doing this long enough that it doesn’t really look like a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/50 "2011-03-23T16:04:18Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Miller didn’t really lose his mind as much as he became a pants-wetting conservative who gets the vapors just thinking about Islam and terrorism. Not the same level of crazy as Ms. Jackson, unless I missed something, because I’ve stopped caring about those two. This is true. I really disagree with Miller’s politics these days, but he is not a stupid man Jackson is just a super-sized toddler whose momma used lead paint on the crib. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/51 "2011-03-23T16:07:33Z")
Ever hear the phrase “Fuck her brains out”. I think that’s what somebody literally did to her in the 80s. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/52 "2011-03-23T16:15:08Z")
Wikipedia says she grew up Christian, so it’s all she knows. She said something about “I’m learning a lot from Glenn Beck!” so you know she just has no clue. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/53 "2011-03-23T16:41:37Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Total nutter and airhead and I’ve no idea how even the Tea Party took her in. There seems to be a pattern to it. Conservatives rail about celebritards pushing their political views, but the fact that they cling to any celebritards they can get on their side betrays the pure jealousy behind their “Hollywood liberal” bloviations. When Arnold Schwartzeneggar ran for governor of California, conservatives openly discussed how they could get around the “natural-born citizen” requirement for the presidency. Now of course none would dream of suggesting that the requirement is up for re-negotiation. Some celebrities whose careers have gone down the crapper have found a home as conservative commentators – Dennis Miller, Norm MacDonald, Ben Stein. Some who never had talent to begin with nonetheless manage to lend the aura of celebrity to a conservative cause – Victoria Jackson, Stephen Baldwin, Kirk Cameron. If you’re a washed-up celebrity and you miss being adored, start a wacko conservative blog. Conservatives are so desperate to bask in reflected celebrity glory that they’ll take anybody they’ve heard of and not only hire them for gigs, but kiss their asses. Wingnut conservatism is the new Branson, Missouri. It’s a second chance for the no-longer-relevant. In a world in which Oliver North can, with a straight face, excoriate other people for appeasing Muslim leaders or funneling money to terrorists, you’ve got an audience ready to believe that you’d totally be getting real work if those Hollywood liberal elites hadn’t blacklisted you. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/54 "2011-03-23T16:46:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > Some celebrities whose careers have gone down the crapper have found a home as conservative commentators – Dennis Miller, Norm MacDonald, Ben Stein. Ben Stein? He was a Nixon apologist long before he became a media celebrity. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/55 "2011-03-23T16:51:11Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Ben Stein? He was a Nixon apologist long before he became a media celebrity. He got worse. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/56 "2011-03-23T22:12:05Z")
> [@Double\_Foolscap](#): > > The biggest debate I’ve seen is to what extent it’s a “first”, and if shape-shifting aliens count as same-sex kisses on _Star Trek_. It’s actually not even a “first” for _Glee_ – the scene in question was the show’s THIRD same-sex kiss and the second for the Kurt character. For fans of the show it’s kind of a big deal because it’s Kurt’s first _consensual_ gay kiss (he was grabbed by a violent closet case earlier this season) and his first with the guy he’s been interested in for months, but two people of the same sex pressing their lips together has certainly been done before both on _Glee_ and earlier TV shows. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/57 "2011-03-23T22:33:13Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Kurt is basically a gay Stepin Fetchit. This is a very light show that’s primarily aimed at teenagers and young adults and airs at a time of night usually reserved for sitcoms. It’s fluffy, a TV pantomime with rock. The character’s are broad and almost burlesque at times. I would never defend it as art and I seriously doubt that Sue’s track suit will be on a mannequin in the Smithsonian when the show wraps (though the show’s at least as good as and more groundbreaking than _Happy Days_ and Fonzie’s jacket’s there, so who knows?). > > But it’s hard for straight people to imagine (this isn’t aimed at amanset, who I’ve no idea whether he or she is gay or straight) the complete invisibility of positive gay teenagers on TV before the late 1990s. I actually like the fact that Kurt’s far from perfect as well- he’s bitchy, self centered, has major boundary issues- while I won’t call the character all that believable (but then who wants to see a mundane character on TV?) it makes him slightly more believable and not just a total blemish free victim. > > And even if you’re not a fan of GLEE you can appreciate that the kiss was a big deal TV wise. Can you even imagine a gay teens kissing on an episode of _Happy Days_ or _The Cosby Show_ or much of anything before this century? GLEE is not shoving it down anyone’s throat, it’s just showing gays as part of the big picture. And again, there’s no frigging way anybody could watch more than one episode of GLEE and not know it’s a gay friendly show that’s likely to one day have this- gays aren’t asexual after all, even if they’re celibate their sexuality is a defining aspect of them. > > I’m thrilled that so many straight fans of the show were happy with this episode. I’m thrilled with the YouTube clips where Chris Colfer goes onstage at a GLEE concert at the audience goes wild- nobody yells “Faggot!” or “Queer!” or whatever. It’s truly- hate to use the term- but heartwarming how far we’ve come. > > So if his getting kissed by his boyfriend, which is 100% something gay teenagers sometimes do and that it doesn’t make them evil or twisted or deserve to get their asses whipped by the Moral Majority for it is “shoving it down” Victoria Jackson’s throat, well, then either open wider bitch and make room for it among the semi-digested Twinkies and Hot Pockets you’ve forced down there and the next “total coincidence if it’s not so stupid Trigg Palin would blush if caught saying it” words that’s coming up that throat. Or, change the fucking channel- not even in prisons is anybody forced to watch GLEE. Or turn the TV off. The fact this kiss is such a newsworthy event would show anybody with 19 functioning neurons that it’s the exception rather than the rule. I hear what your saying, but I am British and grew up with British tv where gays have been a bit more accepted for at least a good decade and a half. Hell, you can see a direct equivalence with Anna Friel’s lesbian kiss on the UK’s Brookside back in the middle of the nineties. In that sense US network TV is curiously anachronistic. From where I am standing Kurt’s entire character is a hideous stereotype, which is weird as it is being held up as something positive, whilst the other stereotypes on the show are not. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/58 "2011-03-23T23:16:43Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > It’s actually not even a “first” for _Glee_ – the scene in question was the show’s THIRD same-sex kiss and the second for the Kurt character. For fans of the show it’s kind of a big deal because it’s Kurt’s first _consensual_ gay kiss (he was grabbed by a violent closet case earlier this season) and his first with the guy he’s been interested in for months, but two people of the same sex pressing their lips together has certainly been done before both on _Glee_ and earlier TV shows. The Brittany-Santana kissing scene- which was much more graphic- hardly got a blip. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/59 "2011-03-23T23:47:23Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The Brittany-Santana kissing scene- which was much more graphic- hardly got a blip. I’ve never seen this show, but are you serious - they actually have two characters named Brittany and Santana? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/60 "2011-03-24T00:11:32Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Was Saturday Night Live even any good [snip by Huerta] No. Your otherwise-excellent question had some random clutter someone put in at the end so I took the liberty . . . [No offense meant to **asterion** , just pointing out that IMHO bad/unfunny/overly-topical content has always been rife if not predominant on the show, albeit perhaps not always the universal rule] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652.md?page=4)