# I had no idea Victoria Jackson was such a nut. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 22, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652 "2011-03-22T21:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/81 "2011-03-24T21:45:49Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Was Saturday Night Live even any good from 1986 to 1992? About 50% - which is far better than any other time period. > [@Sampiro](#): > > **Total nutter** and airhead and I’ve no idea how even the Tea Party took her in. I highlighted the relevant answer. > [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > There seems to be a pattern to it. Conservatives rail about celebritards pushing their political views, but the fact that they cling to any celebritards they can get on their side betrays the pure jealousy behind their “Hollywood liberal” bloviations. Yeah, there’s some mighty hipocricy there, simultaneously ranting about liberal celebrities vocalizing their political opinions and at the same time clinging to anyone with an ounce of audience awareness. > [@](#): > > In a world in which Oliver North can, with a straight face, excoriate other people for appeasing Muslim leaders or funneling money to terrorists, you’ve got an audience ready to believe that you’d totally be getting real work if those Hollywood liberal elites hadn’t blacklisted you. :eek: “But Iranians and Contras don’t count.” > [@Huerta88](#): > > People – he openly entitled his heavily rehearsed stage act “Rants.” If that’s not a phony, I’m Holden Caulfield. What’s wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/82 "2011-03-24T22:18:03Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > That would explain her appeal. Many social conservatives have had a cockatoo. Really? I didn’t know conservatives were into the care and feeding of bir. . . Ooooh! ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/83 "2011-03-24T23:35:50Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > If you didn’t watch SNL, you probably didn’t know her, although she also appeared in _Casual Sex?_ and briefly dated Weird Al Yankovic (and acted in his move _UHF_.) She was also in _I Love You to Death_, a favorite film of mine — though that’s been tarnished a bit after reading this thread. > [@joebuck20](#): > > But I can’t recall Victoria Jackson having any memorable recurring [SNL] characters … Hmmm. Co-owner of Toonces? Hey, I wonder how he’s doing these days. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/84 "2011-03-24T23:44:16Z")
> [@Bytegeist](#): > > She was also in _I Love You to Death_, a favorite film of mine — though that’s been tarnished a bit after reading this thread. > Hmmm. Co-owner of Toonces? > > Hey, I wonder how he’s doing these days. Making Geico [commercials.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxr11aJPr10) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/85 "2011-03-25T01:29:44Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > His sister was on the news earlier today though I only caught part of it and wasn’t really listening. Quick google shows… She had her meth smoking Growing Pains co-star expelled from her wedding many years ago and somehow [it’s relevant today](http://www.popeater.com/2011/03/18/candace-cameron-jodie-sweetin/). Was she actually high at the time, though? (I couldn’t watch the video) (IIRC, Alan Thicke once told Kirk that if _Growing Pains_ was too blue for him, he needed to rethink his priorities) ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/86 "2011-03-25T01:52:13Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > What’s wrong with that? The big conceit of faking something that’s inherently not rehearsed and full of smugly delivered soliloquies? Real rants are in 99% of cases unentertaining and certainly usually uneloquent. Occasionally they are eloquent in a crazed way (some politicians are capable of convincing or convincingly-simulated, and truly extempore outrage). So when there’s nothing of the extempore eloquence of a true maniac rant, and nothing of the truly memorable and powerful emotion and cadence of the few authors who have been able to write really moving and interesting soliloqies (tell me a line from a Miller “rant” that anyone remembers as well as one of twenty Shakespearean soliloquy quotes we could think of), you just have a smug guy reciting a string of faux-outraged political and pop culture opinionoids. IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/87 "2011-03-25T02:53:45Z")
Artifice is not illegitimate in either entertainment or satire. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/88 "2011-03-25T02:58:45Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > The big conceit of faking something that’s inherently not rehearsed and full of smugly delivered soliloquies? I’m not aware of any definition of the word “rant” that includes “spontaneous.” ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/89 "2011-03-25T03:20:13Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I hear what your saying, but I am British and grew up with British tv where gays have been a bit more accepted for at least a good decade and a half. Hell, you can see a direct equivalence with Anna Friel’s lesbian kiss on the UK’s Brookside back in the middle of the nineties. In that sense US network TV is curiously anachronistic. From where I am standing Kurt’s entire character is a hideous stereotype, which is weird as it is being held up as something positive, whilst the other stereotypes on the show are not. First, I want to say that while I enjoy _Glee_ I do feel kind of weird about defending it. I am aware that in many ways the show is quite bad. That said, I think you’re missing why people think the Kurt character is “something positive”. It’s not because American television has, at long last, dared to present a gay male character as having a high-pitched voice and enjoying musical theater, fashion, and interior decorating. 1. Kurt is an out gay teen character portrayed by an actual out gay teen. Actor Chris Colfer is now 20, but he was 18-19 during the first season of _Glee_. While he’s hardly the first gay man to achieve success in the world of entertainment, I think it is nice for gay teens to know that an openly gay man just a little older than they are is starring in a popular TV show. 2. Kurt’s _father_ is a great character. He’s a “Joe Sixpack” type who initially seemed like he wouldn’t be accepting of his son’s sexual orientation, but has turned out to be very supportive. He’s willing to learn about Kurt’s unmacho interests, and does his best to protect him from discrimination and bullying. He’s not a pushover though, and will call Kurt out when he’s behaving badly. 3. Kurt has not been relegated to a comic relief role, nor his problems to a single [Very Special Episode](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VerySpecialEpisode). (On _Glee_ practically EVERY episode is arguably a Very Special one, but Kurt has been involved in multi-episode story arcs.) He’s one of the lead characters on the show. Kurt tends towards [Pet Homosexual](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PetHomosexual) at times, but the show has always made it clear that life is not a bowl of laughs for a gay teen with a high-pitched voice who enjoys musical theater, etc. He’s been the target of violence at school, and the faculty have been unwilling or unable to do much to help him. 4. At the same time, Kurt’s life hasn’t been portrayed as unrelentingly grim. He has friends and family who care about and accept him, and he’s confident in his abilities and willing to stand up for himself even when he fully expects to get his ass kicked. After much loneliness and frustration, and having learned a few lessons about appropriate behavior, he even gets a boyfriend – and they KISS, just like all his friends do with their own boyfriends or girlfriends. If none of this really seems like that big of a deal, then that may be the most important part of it all. We’re now past the point where any of this seems shocking or attracts any great controversy. Two teen boys share a romantic kiss on a popular primetime network TV show, and the reaction has mostly been happiness about a long-awaited plot development. I’ll freely admit that the set-up didn’t even make much sense – it involved, of all things, a dead canary – but I was still making little first pumps in the air when it happened. “THEY KISSED” started trending on Twitter, not “OMG GROSS THEY ARE GOING TO HELL”. The biggest “celebrity” willing to denounce this moment is Victoria Jackson, who wasn’t a huge star even in her prime and is currently outshined by the likes of Rebecca Black. Maybe you reached this point long ago in the UK, but as an American I wasn’t sure of it here until it actually happened. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/90 "2011-03-25T03:43:31Z")
> [@Rodgers01](#): > > She didn’t just look like someone who held nutty/bigoted opinions, she really seemed like to some degree she’d lost control of her mental faculties. Her mannerisms, the glaze in her eye, the way she spoke…there really seemed to be something wrong. I almost felt bad for her. Sad. Just watched the video. That’s pretty much how she has behaved all along. [quote=“Sampiro, post:80, topic:575652”] His sister was on the news earlier today though I only caught part of it and wasn’t really listening. Quick google shows… She had her meth smoking Growing Pains co-star expelled from her wedding many years ago and somehow [it’s relevant today](http://www.popeater.com/2011/03/18/candace-cameron-jodie-sweetin/). Well, that site appears to be some celebrity show biz hack, with a show called “Naughty but Nice”. The interviewer apparently is a gossip queen, and pretty much used his opportunity to talk to Candace Cameron as a chance to dig dirt. So it’s not her fault the guy is a jackass. She did her best to downplay and change the subject. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Was she actually high at the time, though? (I couldn’t watch the video) Yes, way back at the wedding, apparently Jodie Sweetin was a methhead and was on something enough that she was carried out from the wedding. That was years ago. > [@](#): > > (IIRC, Alan Thicke once told Kirk that if _Growing Pains_ was too blue for him, he needed to rethink his priorities) :eek:🙂 > [@Huerta88](#): > > The big conceit of faking something that’s inherently not rehearsed and full of smugly delivered soliloquies? Where are you getting your definition of “rant”? Hey, I’m thoroughly aware his “rants” were crafted scripts he massaged and memorized for comedic effect, and he wasn’t that heated about most of it. But his act, his schtick, was crafting observation humor in the form of emotional tirades against some injustice or bad behavior or pattern of thought he wanted to highlight. So he framed his material as “rants” instead of “monologues”, kinda like some of John Stewart’s bits. Nowadays, people like that write a blog and Facebook it to all their friends, who block them so they don’t have to read the nonsense. > [@Miller](#): > > I’m not aware of any definition of the word “rant” that includes “spontaneous.” Persactly. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/91 "2011-03-25T11:33:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not aware of any definition of the word “rant” that includes “spontaneous.” MY subconscious inserted Dennis Miller? The king of Rant would truly know! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/92 "2011-03-25T15:48:11Z")
I caught a couple of minutes of an episode of Kirk Cameron’s show, _Way of the Master_, one of the most hysterically homoerotic shows on TV, while channel surfing last night. Actual quote: > [@](#): > > What people don’t realize is that sin is very sinful… Again, that’s an actual quote. Then he said words to the effect of (the only reason they’re not exact is I don’t remember them word for word but they were no less loaded than this) > [@](#): > > If you want God to penetrate you, then you’ve got to do half the work yourself His Kiwi pimp was of course furiously nodding the entire time. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/93 "2011-03-25T16:35:17Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Yes, he became a millionaire comedy genius by constructing and memorizing artificially elaborate simulacra of “eloquent” and “angry” spontaneous emotional outbursts. This is how all comedians construct an act, dude. They rehearse the bejeezus out of their acts to the point that they can express them with an air of emotion and affected spontanaiety. Okay, he did poorly on MNF, and he’s way past his prime now, but Miller was a very talented and funny standup. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/94 "2011-04-08T03:56:38Z")
Bumped to share the [Funny or Die](http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/785766108d/victoria-jackson-extra-interview-footage?rel=by_user) take. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/95 "2011-04-08T04:29:54Z")
You may not agree with Miller but he can be clever and funny at times which makes him more impressive than 99% of what’s out there. The clip is just sad. She genuinely seems unwell and should not be allowed out unsupervised. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/96 "2011-04-08T05:14:09Z")
Sinful sins are sinful. Heh. > [@Irishman](#): > > Yes, way back at the wedding, apparently Jodie Sweetin was a methhead and was on something enough that she was carried out from the wedding. That was years ago. Damn, that’s pretty sad. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652/97 "2011-04-08T05:48:13Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The Brittany-Santana kissing scene- which was much more graphic- hardly got a blip. Because it was _Brittany and Santana_. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-had-no-idea-victoria-jackson-was-such-a-nut/575652.md?page=4)