# I Hate Beatles Fans **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2011, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334 "2011-11-28T13:12:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![CheeseDonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@CheeseDonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CheeseDonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/61 "2011-11-28T17:56:46Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Nothing wrong with Van Halen. > > You’re talking the original line up though, right? Of course. Chubby Checker ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/62 "2011-11-28T18:04:27Z")
> [@CheeseDonkey](#): > > Rolling Stones \> Beatles The Who \> The Kinks \> The Rolling Stones \> The Beatles ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/63 "2011-11-28T18:06:57Z")
[CheeseDonkey with his favorite band](http://www.mebstore.com/items/item_display.aspx?iid=77964). (He’s wearing the headphones.) ---
**Author:** ![CheeseDonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@CheeseDonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CheeseDonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/64 "2011-11-28T18:07:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The Who \> The Kinks \> The Rolling Stones \> The Beatles I’d switch the Kinks and the Stones, but I agree with you there. Ratt ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/65 "2011-11-28T18:11:08Z")
> [@Spiff](#): > > You really got me with that one, CheeseDonkey. no you’re thinking of the Kinks. ---
**Author:** ![CheeseDonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@CheeseDonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CheeseDonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/66 "2011-11-28T18:12:09Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > no you’re thinking of the Kinks. Van Halen did a cover version of that song, though. Chicago ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/67 "2011-11-28T18:23:02Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > the Beatles were a cult like phenomena (and not in a good way) especially early on. people assigned them godlike qualities. everything they did was totally new, self generated, original and earth shattering (nothing derivative) this cognitive dissonance was maintained even when other people were given song credit on the record labels. > > people would examine their lyrics as if it was divine scripture with hidden meanings. people went at their lyrics the same way people examine the bible. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > No, man, you’re talking about _Dylan_! > > Early on, the Beatles were a very, very good rock & roll band; the chickies (I was one!) loved them & the guys decided to wash the gunk out of their hair & electrify their folkie guitars. Later Beatle tunes & lyrics became more sophisticated, but they were never subjected to the analysis displayed by the fanatical Dylanologists. > > Not that they were the only good musicians at the time–& at other times. Anybody too young to understand what was going on in those days–& whose older relatives had unhip record collections–might well grow up to like Styx… what i described did come at two different time periods. when they were new and doing their simple lyrics music people claimed that they were totally new and original without derivation even though connections to other music and even song credits showed that not to be true. later with more complex lyrics people interpreted their lyrics as sacred texts. schools and churches would have classes and discussions about the lyrics. though noninstitutional fans and individual cultists went deeper into it. that also happened to some degree with Dylan and Simon and Garfunkel. people dug through anything from all of them. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/68 "2011-11-28T18:34:38Z")
> [@CheeseDonkey](#): > > Styx is world’s better than the Beatles. Dennis DeYoung had actual talent. All that I can determine from listening to DeYoung’s singing is that he was heavily influenced by the Chipmunks. Possibly Theodore. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/69 "2011-11-28T18:39:51Z")
> [@CheeseDonkey](#): > > Who were attracted to the Beatles when they were active? Screaming fanatical teenage girls. > > What are screaming fanatical teenage girls attracted to nowadays? Jonas Brothers. Justin Bieber. > > So basically, The Beatles were nothing more than the Jonas Brothers of the 1960s. It was a band of Justin Biebers. The Sir Bedevere - style logic here makes me wonder if we’re being as much whooshed as trolled. Ditto his suggestion that Van Halen is ‘real music’ while the Beatles aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/70 "2011-11-28T18:41:23Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Pffft! Any publication that puts Sgt. Pepper’s over Revolver is teh journalistic suxx0r. > The entire fucking myopic Sgt. Pepper’s fandom is obsessed to a degree of absurdity. Any Top Ten Album List that includes both Dylan’s _Blonde on Blonde_ and his _Highway 61 Revisited_ can’t be all bad. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/71 "2011-11-28T18:45:09Z")
> [@CheeseDonkey](#): > > The Monkees were a major influence on the Beatles. But they were both derivative of the [Rutles](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEEfJGp6VLw). ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/72 "2011-11-28T18:48:25Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Well, according to [Rolling Stone Magazine](http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/500-greatest-albums-of-all-time-19691231) The Beatles have 4 albums in the top 10. That’s a very Boomer list, I’m noticing. I’m looking at the top hundred, and there’s a lot of stuff from the 60s and 70s, and very little after 1980. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/73 "2011-11-28T18:55:56Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > That’s a very Boomer list, I’m noticing. I’m looking at the top hundred, and there’s a lot of stuff from the 60s and 70s, and very little after 1980. That’s because no decent music has been made since 1980, silly. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/74 "2011-11-28T18:59:35Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > What? What did the Romans ever give us? Well, the aqueduct, for one thing. And the sanitation. There’s also the roads. Irrigation. Medicine. Education. Public baths. And it’s safe to walk the streets at night now, they certainly know how to keep order. Wonderful fellows, those Romans. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/75 "2011-11-28T19:05:49Z")
Reminds me of a coworker coming in and complaining about the first Lord of the Rings movie right after it came out. His main complaint? It was too derivative. Orcs? They couldn’t think of anything better than that old drivel? OP…pick a band you love today. Lets see how strong they are doing in 2065. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/76 "2011-11-28T19:17:46Z")
> [@CheeseDonkey](#): > > Styx is world’s better than the Beatles. Dennis DeYoung had actual talent. Stop it, you’re killing me! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/77 "2011-11-28T19:18:05Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > That’s a very Boomer list, I’m noticing. I’m looking at the top hundred, and there’s a lot of stuff from the 60s and 70s, and very little after 1980. Kind of a pansy list, too. Nothing heavier than Nirvana in the top 30. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/78 "2011-11-28T19:26:54Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > That’s because no decent music has been made since 1980, silly. i wouldn’t go that far. 74 is a better divider. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/79 "2011-11-28T19:52:41Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > what i described did come at two different time periods. > > when they were new and doing their simple lyrics music people claimed that they were totally new and original without derivation even though connections to other music and even song credits showed that not to be true. > > later with more complex lyrics people interpreted their lyrics as sacred texts. schools and churches would have classes and discussions about the lyrics. though noninstitutional fans and individual cultists went deeper into it. that also happened to some degree with Dylan and Simon and Garfunkel. people dug through anything from all of them. No, that’s not true. The Beatles played plenty of covers from the start–a fact that was known to those of us who listened. They covered American artists neglected during the reign of “the heinous Frankie-Bobbies of South Philly.”\* Of course, their first hit singles (in the USA) were originals; but we bought the LP’s & read the song credits. Were some of the “adult” critics unaware of their roots? I didn’t care… By the time the Beatles’ lyrics got weird, I was studying real literature in school & was beyond the reach of Church. But Dylan got the _serious_ analysis. I remember Tommy Hall explicating the inner meaning of the lyrics on _John Wesley Harding_; I think they tied in to “[John The Revelator](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Revelator_(song)).” (_Revelations_ has always appealed to the weak of mind.) Of course, Tommy wrote “Slip Inside This House”–which fried a few brain cells in its day… Simon & Garfunkel? Paul Simon was the writer, who went through Pop & Village Folkie stages. Pleasant & pretty, never “deep.” (Not that non-deep music can’t be enjoyed.) - From _Creem_–can’t remember who wrote it. _Rolling Stone_ stopped being “about” the music, although they printed some fine journalism. Those bats in the desert? _Creem_ & _Crawdaddy_ were much better… (Currently listening to “The First Booke of Songs” by John Dowland.) ---
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This all reminds me of some idiot a few years ago that posited that the White Stripes were, like, the best band _evar_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334.md?page=5)