# I Hate Beatles Fans **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2011, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334 "2011-11-28T13:12:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/121 "2011-11-29T06:04:14Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > You are entitled to your own opinion, same as everyone else. Nobody are not entitled to their own facts. > > You cannot deny the Beatles influence and success. This. I don’t particularly care for the Beatles myself but I recognize their talent as musicians. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/122 "2011-11-29T06:09:35Z")
Didn’t we just have this argument with some other asshole? Jack Batty: not for four or five years probably. Ambivalid: I feel the same way about Rush. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/123 "2011-11-29T06:16:08Z")
**CheeseDonkey** , I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I would be very interested to hear your insight regarding some of the other famous names in the popular music business. Can you link me to you insightful thoughts on: Cole Porter Stevie Wonder Irving Berlin Smokey Robinson Louis Armstrong Ella Fitzgerald Roy Brown Johnny Mandel Boz Skaggs Willy Dixon McKinley Morganfield That’s just a start. I’ll come up with more later but I need to know what I should think about those guys because your infinite insight trumps anything that everyone ever thought they knew. After you set me straight I will ask for more advice. But please, don’t whoosh me with Van Halen or Fleetwood Mac. ---
**Author:** ![mac\_bolan00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@mac\_bolan00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mac_bolan00)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/124 "2011-11-29T06:20:15Z")
but wasn’t their first hit “i wanna be your man” by john and paul? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/125 "2011-11-29T07:01:57Z")
> [@CheeseDonkey](#): > > The Romans were a big influence on the world. Doesn’t mean we have to worship the Romans. There is a common tendency in this sort of thread to elevate what the fans of the Celebrated-Band-That-Actually-Sucks do or require, so as to make their behaviour rationally indefensible. I don’t think any significant amount of Beatles fans worship the Beatles or require anyone to do so. They just very much like the band. But them just liking the band is hard for you to rationally attack. It’s a free country. So what you do is pretend fans “worship” the band and pretend you somehow “have to” do so also. Because worshipping a band would be ludicrous and forcing you to do so would be an outrageous infringement of your rights. But frankly exaggerating views and making up threats just so you can be outraged by them is pretty damn silly. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/126 "2011-11-29T07:58:21Z")
So… CheeseDonkey is a classic rock fan and he hates the Beetles. Oookay… :dubious: Besides, Beatles fans are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet. Facts: 1. Beatles fans are mammals. 2. Beatles fans fight ALL the time. 3. The purpose of the Beatles fan is to flip out and kill people. Beatles fans can kill anyone they want! Beatles fans cut off heads ALL the time and don’t even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this Beatles fan who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the Beatles fan killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a Beatles fan totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/127 "2011-11-29T08:00:39Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > People always say this, and I don’t understand why. Why was John Lennon an asshole? Sometime after Lennon was killed, within a year or two, Paul objected to the adulation of John, remarking accurately that he could sometimes be quite a swine. It wasn’t really Yoko that broke up the band, it was John refusing to acknowledge that Paul and George were his artistic equals and to get as much input. Listen to “How Do You Sleep Nights” from John solo album. It is picking on Paul for underusing his talents for not writing angst songs like John. The answer from Paul, in good spirit, was “Silly Love Songs”. John really had no business taking that shot at Paul. Is it really a crime to write popular happy tunes? And to let Yoko take the blame for breaking up the band? Really? She had almost nothing to do with The Beatles breaking up, and John could have more frequently and more forcefully stated that Yoko had little to do with it and that it was his decision, which it was, to go where he had complete artistic control and credit. Back in the 70s John was my favorite Beatle. But now, he’d be fourth on my list of ones I’d like to know simply because the others were much easier to get along with and not glory hogs the way John was. John was a “difficult” artist. The other three regular blokes when it came to being around people. It’s not to say there weren’t reasons that John could be a swine, he was in many respects a very unhappy man for long periods during his life, and we are stuck with who we are. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/128 "2011-11-29T08:11:40Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Listen to “How Do You Sleep Nights” from John solo album. It is picking on Paul for underusing his talents for not writing angst songs like John. The answer from Paul, in good spirit, was “Silly Love Songs”. John really had no business taking that shot at Paul. Is it really a crime to write popular happy tunes? Not necessarily, but releasing Silly Love Songs was a crime against humanity, or at least my sanity. > [@](#): > > Back in the 70s John was my favorite Beatle. But now, he’d be fourth on my list of ones I’d like to know simply because the others were much easier to get along with and not glory hogs the way John was. John was a “difficult” artist. The other three regular blokes when it came to being around people. Well, George and Ringo didn’t rush and join Wings, did they? That said, I agree that Paul was underrated. There are lots of angsty musicians. There are rather fewer with a strong pop sensibility that can collaborate effectively with other angsty musicians. BTW, does anybody have an opinion of McCartney & Costello? I never got around to listening to that combo. ETA: Text in last post -126- cribbed from [The Official Ninja Webpage:  REAL Ultimate Power!!!!](http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm) , in case some missed the in-joke. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/129 "2011-11-29T11:32:15Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Sometime after Lennon was killed, within a year or two, Paul objected to the adulation of John, remarking accurately that he could sometimes be quite a swine. It wasn’t really Yoko that broke up the band, it was John refusing to acknowledge that Paul and George were his artistic equals and to get as much input. Listen to “How Do You Sleep Nights” from John solo album. It is picking on Paul for underusing his talents for not writing angst songs like John. The answer from Paul, in good spirit, was “Silly Love Songs”. John really had no business taking that shot at Paul. Is it really a crime to write popular happy tunes? > > And to let Yoko take the blame for breaking up the band? Really? She had almost nothing to do with The Beatles breaking up, and John could have more frequently and more forcefully stated that Yoko had little to do with it and that it was his decision, which it was, to go where he had complete artistic control and credit. > > Back in the 70s John was my favorite Beatle. But now, he’d be fourth on my list of ones I’d like to know simply because the others were much easier to get along with and not glory hogs the way John was. John was a “difficult” artist. The other three regular blokes when it came to being around people. > > It’s not to say there weren’t reasons that John could be a swine, he was in many respects a very unhappy man for long periods during his life, and we are stuck with who we are. Apparently it was Paul who prevented George from having more than one song per album, until Abbey Road when they all knew it was over. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/130 "2011-11-29T11:41:16Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > What? What did the Romans ever give us? The Romans gave the English plumbing. In London hotels, they still have it. ---
**Author:** ![raskolnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e47c2d/32.png) [@raskolnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raskolnik)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/131 "2011-11-29T12:13:05Z")
I don’t like the beetles. I know who they are. I know why they are famous. At the same time, I’m 27, and so no love for the past gets in there. People who say the beetles ‘suck’ are forgetting that pop music comes and goes…and the beetles are 50 year old pop music that is still popular. That says ‘something’. How many young people could hum “Red Sails in the Sunset”? But everybody can sing Yellow Submarine or Hey Jude. I think ‘Imagine’ is the most offensive, brain dead, naive POS in music, but everybody knows it. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/132 "2011-11-29T12:18:36Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > BTW, does anybody have an opinion of McCartney & Costello? I never got around to listening to that combo. I wasn’t overly impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Floater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dc4da7/32.png) [@Floater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floater)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/133 "2011-11-29T12:27:25Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > just for fun picking some early years to see who rocked, not a thorough study, just random picks done quickly > > 1963 > She Loves You - Beatles > Come On - Rolling Stones > Do You Want to Know a Secret - The Beatles > > \ I applaud your good taste. ---
**Author:** ![jordanr2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/838e76/32.png) [@jordanr2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jordanr2)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/134 "2011-11-29T12:45:24Z")
> [@raskolnik](#): > > I don’t like the beetles. I know who they are. I know why they are famous. At the same time, I’m 27, and so no love for the past gets in there. People who say the beetles ‘suck’ are forgetting that pop music comes and goes…and the beetles are 50 year old pop music that is still popular. That says ‘something’. How many young people could hum “Red Sails in the Sunset”? But everybody can sing Yellow Submarine or Hey Jude. I think ‘Imagine’ is the most offensive, brain dead, naive POS in music, but everybody knows it. I don’t see that this says anything about the music’s inherent quality, though. It speaks to a lot of people, obviously, but that’s irrelevant to assessments of what’s good and what’s not - which, as always, remain subjective. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/135 "2011-11-29T13:08:10Z")
> [@raskolnik](#): > > I think ‘Imagine’ is the most offensive, brain dead, naive POS in music, but everybody knows it. I applaud your good taste. It’s not a “beetles” song though. Which reminds me, when is there going to be a Broadway musical based on Franz Kafka’s _The Metamorphosis_? I’ve been waiting ever since Max Bialystok turned it down. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/136 "2011-11-29T13:49:19Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In all seriousness, the accusation that Rolling Stone is essdentially a Baby Boomer publication is an accurate one. According to them, of the ten best albums ever made, nine were made in a twelve-year stretch and six of those nine by just two artists. The only outlier was made just five years after than twelve-year stretch and in the 32 years since nothing’s topped them, and few albums have come close. Indeed, most of the top fifty are from the same time period. > > I really like me some Beatles, and I admit it is theoretically possible that all the best albums ever made were made between 1963 and 1974, but frankly it really, really strains credulity. Where the hell is “Achtung Baby”? Where’s “Fear of a Black Planet?” “Rumors?” Am I seriously being asked to believe that “Plastic Ono Band” is the 21st best album of all time? Shit, man, it isn’t in the top thousand and wouldn’t be The Tragically Hip’s fourth best LP. (I admit my opinion here is a minority one, but the hell with it; it’s only well regarded because Lennon’s name is on it.) Rolling Stone is so preposterously old, so dominated by 57-year-old cranks, they they should hold their business meetings at a Swiss Chalet at 4:30 in the afternoon… Really? You just figured that out? Card carrying Boomer here–who gave up on _Rolling Stone_ in the very early 1970’s. (In 1969, it still meant something to be [On The Cover Of The Rolling Stone](http://blog.chron.com/40yearsafter/2008/12/doug-sahm-on-the-cover-of-the-rolling-stone/); the kid is [Shawn Sahm](http://shawnsahm.com/), now carrying on as leader of The Texas Tornadoes.) Well, many of us stopped considering _RS_ to be **The Music Magazine** ; as I mentioned before, they continued to supply fine journalism by such as Tom Wolfe & Hunter S. Thompson. _Crawdaddy_ started out as a 'zine & continued to explore the intellectual side of the music. _Creem_ was a kick in the pants from The Motor City–later claiming to be the first to use “punk” & “heavy metal.” But neither publication had Jann Wenner’s way with money, so the presses stopped. The _Creem_ online archive has apparently disappeared, alas… I loved the Beatles & other acts from the day, but I never stopped caring about music; I wasn’t in the mosh pits, but with the other oldsters at the bar. I’m not all that current on What The Kids are Listening To Today but manage to drag myself out to shows from time to time. My current listening stretches back to the Middle Ages & goes farther afield than the UK… Back when Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers were newish, a friend professed ignorance of their work & complained that he just didn’t care about “this new music.” I was aghast. If ever a band was designed to appeal to Us Old Fogies, it was Tom & Co. I’ll gladly tell _anybody_ about _any_ of my faves. If they don’t care, I’m not upset… ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/137 "2011-11-29T14:00:03Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Besides, Beatles fans are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet. And that’s the secret to Real Ultimate Beatle Power! ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/138 "2011-11-29T14:23:33Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > You cannot deny the Beatles influence and success. Just watch him! ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/139 "2011-11-29T14:28:18Z")
> [@CheeseDonkey](#): > > So basically, The Beatles were nothing more than the Jonas Brothers of the 1960s. It was a band of Justin Biebers. If anyone starts a thread about Justin Bieber fifty years from now, I will buy you a Lamborgini. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334/140 "2011-11-29T14:42:50Z")
I got your back Cheese. I’ve marked the old calendar for November 29, 2061. One thread about the Justin Bieber coming up. I want to drive the Lamborgini. And I’ll be 96 years old by then, so you know it’s be a fun ride - with the left turn blinker on the whole time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-beatles-fans/604334.md?page=8)