You know, that OP made me cry. For real.
It saddens me beyond belief that someone could be this horrific of a human being. My God. I just don’t get it at all.
Maybe no one’s mentioned it because it’s irrelevant. Could be…
I live in Hawaii. Wanna know what Americans did to Native Hawaiians? Unbearable suffering indeed. Americans seem to be equally talented at inflicting that.
Well, then, I should tell all my Korean-Japanese friends what scandal they are the product of. I’ll tell them you said so. But I warn you now: they won’t give a rat’s ass.
And really now: I’m sure there are still places in the US where a white boy can’t bring home a black, Hispanic, or yes, Japanese girl home.
Besides, if the US rivals their racism, then why bring it up? It’s simply pointing out, “They’re just as bad as we are!”
You can’t tell me that the US doesn’t do anything unlike this.
You are projecting your American values onto another vastly different value system. You’re not going to agree with what they value, and I’m sure they don’t give a damn about your objections. If something someone does bothers you so much, then do something change it, or quitcherbitchen.
…still waiting for eggo to pop in here and say “just kiddin’ folks!”…
::taps foot::
…or was he really expecting collaboration from a lot of people?
Thank you AudreyK for the correct spelling :D…now I can blast eggo without sounding so wishy-washy.
poopah, you weren’t wishy-washy. 
I’m waiting for that bastard too… or at least that’s what I’m telling myself as to why I’m still awake at 4:30am…
Originally posted by writefetus
posted by Audrey K
Audre K, Hawaii may be a place of perfect racial harmony, but Asia is not. I lived in Korea for six years, and I’ve spent considerable time in Japan and China, and I have never seen such naked ethnocentrism and downright racism outside Mississippi. Inter-racial dating is a big no-no. Koreans and Japanese may be able to get hitched in the States, but trying it in Japan or Korea would get them disowned by their families.
I like Japan, but just because I admire and respect their culture should not blind me to historical and cultural accuracy. PC attitudes exist only in the US and Canada.
I have never read a US newspaper article claiming that our stomachs are too delicate to eat rice grown in Asia, but the Hankook Ilbo and the Chosun Ilbo published articles claiming Koreans could not eat American rice. Japan pulls the same stunts regarding foreign foods.
If you think Japan has PC attitudes: one word, burukamin, AKA the eta.(OK, more than one word)
Just because I like the Japanese doesn’t make them perfect.
That’s not the point; nobody’s claiming they’re perfect. The point is that all their shortcomings are completely irrelevant to this thread, which is a blatant piece of bigotted trash. Moreover, they’re not worth pointing out, since we have all the same ones (or slight variations thereof). So when is the little punk a-gonna make his appearance back here?
To quote (slightly altered) Phil Ochs, “Here’s to the land you’ve torn out the heart of/ [Eggo] find yourself another country to be part of”
You do realise eggo that having started this, you are going to have to come in here and stop it, don’t you?
If you don’t, everyone who’s read this thread will continue to think that you are filth - whether or not you think you deserve it.
Don’t come here smoking, come to eat crow.
Or fuck off.
Your choice. Make it soon.
Do yourself a favour and end this.
picmr
Gotta say, IMHO, you are playing right into eggo’s hands. Ignore the little fuck. That’s the worst thing you can do to him. He’s probably sitting back reading the thread and getting a hard on (assuming he’s capable of that) reading all of the wonderful responses. Have some pride! You fine folks are far too talented to waste it on this piece of shit.
grem
No arguement here;Eggois an ignorant bedbug.
That’s not so. Does America have racism? Absolutely. Koreans hate blacks, blacks hate Jews, whites hate blacks,and so on and so forth. The Tuskeegee Experiment was a terrible crime, and segregation and the conquest of the Indians is shameful.
However, no racial group in America claims to be a divine race descended from the sun goddess, Amaterasu. We never committed anything like the Rape of Nanjing, Unit 731,
or the thirty-five years of atrocities committed when Japan owned Korea as a colony. Yes, we bombed two of their cities, but if the Japanese had developed the A-bomb first, do you think they would have hesitated for a second before using it on us? Yes, we interned Japanese-Americans, but we did not torture or kill them like the Japanese did to Allied civilians and POWs.
I’m not Japan-bashing; I like the place and the people, but if you think America is as morally culpable as Japan, you don’t know your history. Japan’s record is up there with Nazi Germany.
These are,indeed, irrelevant to the main point, but I can’t let naive PC thinking pass without comment.
here are some reasons why I dig Japan
o-nigiri and a can of Suntory coffee for breakfast
riding the shinkansen with a JR Railpass
feeding deer in Nara
staying at a love hotel for only $50 US
staying in a capsule hotel in Tokyo
eating Y100 a plate sushi in Kabuki-cho
gay bars in Shinjuku-ni-chome
Kinkaku-ji in Kyoto
Ryoanji Temple in Kyoto
Chairman Kaga
Funny thing, though: I wouldn’t have supported the use of the bomb on Germany either. Saying “they would have done it if they could” does not excuse morally atrocious decisions.
Excuse me while I dissolve in laughter–here’s one for you: think Vietnam, first word–sounds like “my”.
I also seem to recall a few other incidents like…oh…Nagasaki (even if you can excuse the first bomb, which I can’t, the second was ridiculous). I remember something about the Allied bombing of Dresden; all that dinnerware was a * real * threat to us :rolleyes:
Nobody here is claiming Japan is a perfect little utopia–so I don’t know why you feel the need to jump in here and associate yourself with this twit. Whether you intended to or not, that’s the net result.
By writefetus
Yes , Japan has done horrible things . So what ! Name a country that hasn’t .
I’m always suspicious of people who join in with "I agree that the OP was racist/bigoted but for factual accuracy I feel I must say the following … "
Why do people feel the need to do this ? Do they think they are the only ones with this info or is there some other reason … ?
I’ve seen it done when somebody is being racist about blacks eg. "While I think [racist] was wrong it has to be said that a lot of blacks break the law ". Fuck off .
The OP was racist and that’s that. I hate PC bullshit but it isn’t being PC it being a human being .
Anybody that say that a country should be nuked just because they don’t like it is a prick and should be called on it .
Now where the fuck are you eggo.
No, no, no, I’m not anywhere with that geek. I was just commenting on AudreyK’s post excusing Japanese racism by pointing out American racism.
My Lai was horrible, and Calley should be doing life, but the massacre stopped because American soldiers intervened.
The Rape of Nanjing lasted three weeks and was a part of Japan’s war policy. No Japanese soldiers intervened to save
Chinese lives.
I suggest you talk to older Koreans who lived through the Japanese occupation to find out real history.
You might also learn about the Imjin War of 1593-1598 and the nose tombs.
Eggo is a mindless punk, and I am in no way defending his asinine OP. OTOH, PC attitudes that America’s war record is as bad as Japan’s are just wrong.
Just so you know, I spent the better part of the last decade in Korea, I studied Korean language and history, I have made several visits to Japan and I speak fair Japanese. I know and appreciate both cultures and I know the long list of grievances the Koreans have against the Japanese. I also know the history of Japan’s relations with China, and the deep suspicion the Chinese have of Japan. Japan has a bad reputation to live down.
The study of history is important, and rewriting the truth to accommodate naive ideas of moral equivalence is bad scholarship and a deep insult to the Allied soldiers who died to defeat a wicked regime.
Yojimbo’s right. I’ll shut up now.
See, now this is where I expect Eggo’s getting his rocks off. If I was sick and twisted - well, moreso than I am - I would’ve posted something like this to see it turn into reciprocated country bashing. That being said, I don’t feel that any people, country, or culture should necessarily be judged on the basis on what it did in the past.
No, this isn’t some pathetic “let bygones be bygones” or even a hackneyed “can’t we all just get along?” it’s just saying that what we did or who we were in the past is not necessarily who or what we are now. We’ve all made stupid mistakes in the past, but should those mistakes be brought up by others as an attempt to say who we are now? I could be naive, but I’d say no. A friend of mine was a stripper, and even popped up in a porn or two, but she’s changed, and I’m not going to bring those to light and denounce her as a slut or a harlot. Hell, I’ll even go so far as to say that if eggo somehow manages to become enlightened and apologize for what he’s said, that I’m willing to forgive him this thread. 'Course that’s probably never going to happen, but who knows?
Um, I’m not sure I like the way “some of the most beautiful scenery in the world” comes right after “sumo”…
::pats Missy on back:: There, there, it’s just him. And he was probably drunk.
Show me where anybody tried to say those things never happened. Every country has its share of these things (even the Swiss, it turns out :)). OTOH, the US has only had a bit over 200 years to accumulate these racial tensions and hatred–and we seem to have done pretty well for ourselves.
See what I mean? We didn’t have much opportunity to do anything as a nation in 1593 (or even do much of anything as a colony).
We can go on all day rattling these things back and forth (should I mention that we did a real number on the native occupants of the land we live on now?). Japan does have a lot to live down–and they’ve done a pretty good job of it, as has Germany. But then, so does the US, so does Britain, so does France, hell, we can probably find something on * Canada * if we look (I mean, besides the gratuitous offence of them being Canadian :))
Hmm, funny how you’re now doing the exact same thing back, and then I’m creating another iteration… :rolleyes:
Besides, her post didn’t excuse Japanese racism, she was pointing out that it exists just as much here as there, and it’s a bit hypocritical to bring it up in this sort of context.
Oh for god’s sake, what about the massive numbers of Japanese * civilians * who dies in one fell swoop (well, two really) just for happening to live in said regime?
And what bloody naive ideas are you talking about? Quote a few. Yes, I support the study of history–maybe that’s why I make an effort to learn it. But bringing up unpleasant history of a country in a thread devoted to “nuke the bastards cause I don’t like them” is just tasteless.
You’re not fighting ignorance in this thread; you’re attacking those who are. If you want a place to discuss the problematic events of Japan’s past, go start your own thread–don’t sit here and reload to the bigots.
Nobody has denied any facts here.
Goboy: FYI simulpost on my last one…
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No one is lionizing Japan, just mentioning some positives and pointing out the idiocy and hyperbole of the OP.
Yes, there is a cult of thought known as Nihonjinron, and the idiots who subscribe to it often sell best-selling books, but the examples you bring up are misleading. The beef statement was made by ONE mid-level bureaucrat in support of import restrictions on American beef. When this statement was made public, the Japanese people were very embarassed and the bureaucrat retracted the statement. The same goes for a similar bureaucratic statement about Japanese snow being different made to justify import restrictions on foreign skis. The point must be made that these comments were made by very specific people about very specific situations, and are not believed by all Japanese. Granted, many Japanese feel that foreigners don’t understand them, but don’t ALL nationalities feel that way?
Why did you use the word “Nippon?” And “insatiable” is an exaggeration.
However, I am pissed off at the recent Japanese decision to resume whale hunting despite international disapproval. Yes, sometimes they can be pretty damn insular.
This propaganda ceased after WWII.
And this claim is hardly unique. For example, Jews believe they are the chosen people of Yahweh. While they don’t claim to be of divine descent, I think this is a good parallel.
The Rape of Nanjing: certainly I can’t think of anything on this scale, but as another person mentioned, My Lai comes to mind, and the possible massacre at No Gun Ri.
Unit 731: Did you know that the CIA allowed all those involved with this horrible crime to be released scott-free in return for their data? The activities of Unit 731 was sickening enough, but to know our own government did THAT…
It’s difficult to compare atrocities between countries; it’s such a sick game of one-upmanship. Example - which is worse - Japan’s atrocities in Korea, or the genocide committed against the Native Americans?
As to the decision to drop the bomb…yes, the Japanese would have done it to us. As harsh as that sounds, that is the nature of war. I think it’s difficult to argue against the dropping of the a-bombs. I do think, however, that a demonstration, done first, would have been more humane.
I think ranking countries based on moral culpability is a futile exercise. Lest anyone misunderstand, I am NOT defending Japan’s war record or current social problems. I do agree Japan’s WWII record is similar to Nazi Germany’s. I just want to put things into perspective.
One reason why Japan has not made as many steps toward reparation as Germany is based upon how the two countries were treated after the war. The crimes of Nazi Germany were made known; it was obvious who was in charge; many different countries played a role in how post-war Germany was treated.
The US censored any discussion about Imperial Japan. Although there was never a clear-cut and consistent system of leadership, the only person who remained a constant was let go: the Emperor. The US was for all practical purposes solely in charge of Japan and therefore did not take the interests of other countries into consideration; namely, forcing Japan to make reparations to the other Asian countries.
I believe that had Japan been treated the same as Germany after WWII, Japan would not be as weaselly about admitting to its wartime record. The US has played a bit role in Japan’s current weaseling about its war record.
I guess eggo was leggo…
Not much to add. Most people are have some validity in whatthey are saying. Now let’s stop the whole “your atrocity is bigger than mine” rhetoric.
PS BBK was correct about the origins of Vader’s helmet.