# I hate vegatarians! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 1999, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160 "1999-10-29T13:48:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 1999, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/141 "1999-11-02T23:59:00Z")
Hell, **metro** , I was just answering your question about whether anybody expected a conclusion (as others have pointed out). I’ve stayed out of the debate because others seemed to be doing just fine (more specifically, **VegforLife** is exactly right and you should learn from him), but your question seemed like an appropriate one for a lurker to answer. I saw your post about “knew (sic) things.” Because of the misused homophone, because the _very next phrase_ was “but I don’t relent i was right in my emotions,” and because of your subsequent posts, it was a little unclear to me where you were on this. A little background here. I eat meat. I eat raw beef, I eat veal, I eat exotic meats, I’ve eaten dog and cat, I’ve eaten a live lobster. The East Cost Representative for PETA I’m not. And as official spokesman for the Future Colon Cancer Sufferers of America, I’m simply saying this: Kwityerbitchin. Try the damn rutabaga puree, or whatever it is. **Rich** chooses not positively to assert that she was “trying to do you a favor.” I choose to do so. She was trying to do you a favor. In your particular instance, your host in all likelihood busted her hump to prepare an interesting and tasty meal. Try it. Don’t like it? Don’t eat it. But in the future, don’t get “uncomfortable” when someone dares to serve a meal consistent with her principles, or when she goes out of her way to prepare something special. * * * Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine ---
**Author:** ![metroshane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@metroshane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/metroshane)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/142 "1999-11-03T00:04:00Z")
It was a relief as much as it was funny. * * * All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/143 "1999-11-03T00:05:00Z")
metroshane: This whole thread has made me thoughtful as to how meat fans would feel about a meal I (a vegetarian) would cook as a hostess. I’ve never had stony silence as a result, and people seem to enjoy my cooking. But, concievably, that could come up some day. Thanks for the insight. As my bottom line MO when dining with others: I think gratefulness goes a long way. ---
**Author:** ![VegForLife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9de0a6/32.png) [@VegForLife](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegForLife)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/144 "1999-11-03T00:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I hate food. It’s such a hassle. Oh my god, I couldn’t agree less!! If I could, I’d be eating constantly. Bananas and tortillas and beans and rice and chocolate and oranges and avocados and broccoli and bread and jam and peanut butter and chocolate and tempeh and peppers and cranberries and cereal and more cereal and potatoes with rosemary and cilantro and onions and eggplant “trouffles” and asparagus soup and crackers and chocolate and apple juice and raisins and oatmeal and veggie burgers and tomatoes and mustard and pickles and arugula and carrots and snap peas and filberts and kiwi fruit and pineapple and zucchini and broiled tofu and cabbage and rice dream and chocolate and baked potatoes with green onions and pepper and hummus and tabouleh. ::pant pant pant:: And an appetizer of chips and salsa between each one of those. I swear, if I could, I’d be eating so often that I’d probably be like the fat man in “Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life.” And I’d probably explode like that, too! Fortunately, my system keeps tabs on me. . . Rich ---
**Author:** ![VegForLife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9de0a6/32.png) [@VegForLife](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegForLife)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/145 "1999-11-03T00:11:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I eat raw beef I hope you go for the shoulder, I hear their kick is worse than their bite. . . And Lynn, if you’re reading, feel free to delete my double post above, NetScape took a dump when I hit the “send” button. Rich ---
**Author:** ![metroshane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@metroshane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/metroshane)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/146 "1999-11-03T00:13:00Z")
elelle, I hope yours turns out better. I was not the only one who sat in silence, and we did eventually try to enjoy (i wouldn’t order it). we weren’t trying to hurt feelings. And from this point on I would like to experiment, but I think you will be much more appreciated if people know what’s up. You’re not obligated to say anything (as many have posted) but it could hype up interested people, and eliminate people who weren’t interested. * * * All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/147 "1999-11-03T00:14:00Z")
**Rich** : You forgot mushrooms! Fly on out with the SO and I’ll cook you up a Portobello on angel hair with tomato vodka sauce that’ll leave you too full for a “waffer thin mint.” * * * Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/148 "1999-11-03T00:19:00Z")
> [@](#): > > And from this point on I would like to experiment Then you’re invited too! (I’ll even sneak a little beef stock into your shroom, to ease the transition). Then we’ll head to Peter Luger the next night. You have to ask specifically if you want any veggies there. We’ll just say no. * * * Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine ---
**Author:** ![VegForLife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9de0a6/32.png) [@VegForLife](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegForLife)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/149 "1999-11-03T00:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > You’re not obligated to say anything (as many have posted) but it could hype up interested people, and eliminate people who weren’t interested. As I said in response to a similar thought from Atrael, this isn’t bad advice (although I typically do it to avoid leaving someone out, not to eliminate anyone). Usually I have something specific in mind when I invite people over, so I mention it: “You don’t have a problem with zucchini, do you?” Or something like that. I know that my wife appreciates it when others do that, because she hates a few things herself (ironically enough, eggplant is one of those things; olives are another, which I just can’t understand, but whatever). I guess I just look at it as an extra courtesy, not a requirement, and I don’t feel remiss if I neglect to do it, and I don’t feel slighted if others don’t. (This thread is getting far too civil. . .) Rich ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/150 "1999-11-03T01:37:00Z")
_Whew_! So much has gone on since I last posted, and it seems to be settling well. However, _waaaay_ back up this thread I made the statement that in my experience, some carnivores can be “pickier” than many veggies. While OpalCat seemed to clarify what my intent was from that statement, I will elaborate a little more too: The two picky eaters I know are carnivores. One, (until a few years ago) wouldn’t eat a litany of things. If it was green, it was out. So many nonsensical things were out. It was torture to try to find something she’d eat, and she kept this up way into adulthood. She still is way too picky. But, more recently a lot of people started getting sick of ner pickiness, and won’t try to cater to her (and serve her “comfy” foods) she has been forced to be a little more flexible. The other friend would only eat simple fast food, and the most basic of “American” food. Any tomato product was out, and from my understanding, she was not allergic, she just didn’t like tomato products. (OK, I guess if she hates tomatoes, she hates tomatoes - but that eleminates SO many dishes!) She had many other nonsensical “forbidden” foods, and it made it a bitch to go out to eat with her. I remember that a group of us were real hot to go to a fabulous Chinese restaurant, and the only thing she would consent to eat was the rice. (The rest of the group ended up not going there, because we couldn’t bear to see her eat just rice.) The friend that was vegan and myself found things to eat at ANY restaurant, even fast food restaurants. Even if it was a plain baked potato - we ate it without whining. Who exactly was more of a pain in the ass to eat with in our case - the veggies or the carnivores? I personally think that when veggies make the decision to go veggie, they give up some of their pickiness. They _have_ to experiment, learn new dishes, or have a very dull diet indeed. I suspect that many carnivores do not push themselves in this way, and sometimes can be very set in their ways. That’s fine, but I don’t want to hear any whining because, God Forbid, they might be confronted with - gasp! - _eggplant_ some day! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/151 "1999-11-03T04:24:00Z")
Rich: and then there’s Indian food! MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! (note- I inserted line breaks to avoid sidescroll- Lynn) [Note: This message has been edited by Lynn Bodoni] ---
**Author:** ![metroshane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@metroshane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/metroshane)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/152 "1999-11-03T04:29:00Z")
So I don’t like eggplant? I’ve been doing alot of reflecting, maybe even a litany of it (just kidding) and have noticed that the opposite sides of the spectrum hold a lot of hostilities toward each other. The veggie-mites for being disected for their reasons and the meaties crucified for thier habits. there are plenty of people who live comfortably in between, but this has been pretty hot. I suspect that I as well as some people in this thread (go ahead, admit it) are partly fueled by past experiences and I think maybe I had a certain hostility toward this person or this choice before, and it climaxed at this point. Or maybe she’d had hostility toward some of us and was trying to prove something. I’ve been tossed back in forth between ‘I’m right, they don’t get’ and ‘I can see their point’. I think maybe we should be more careful about assuming others will appreciate our taste. I still don’t agree with all the post or justification as originally posted, but I don’t need to question it anymore. I think the best argument to the hostess question was presented to myself on the way home\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\> It’s much easier to swallow strange veggies than strange meat. * * * All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/153 "1999-11-03T08:26:00Z")
{{As I said in response to a similar thought from Atrael, this isn’t bad advice (although I typically do it to avoid leaving someone out, not to eliminate anyone). Usually I have something specific in mind when I invite people over, so I mention it: “You don’t have a problem with zucchini, do you?” Or something like that. I know that my wife appreciates it when others do that, because she hates a few things herself (ironically enough, eggplant is one of those things; olives are another, which I just can’t understand, but whatever).}} Eggplant is evil. So is liver. Woe betide the host(ess) who serves me either, without providing another food, for s/he shall have the Hunger-Crazed Lynn to deal with. (Lynn as Poster) Rich, I’m going to TRY to delete your double post, if I can find it on the “edit” screen. But thanks for telling me what the problem was. Elelle, next time you are tempted to type a VERY long word…DON’T. Or I’ll have my cousin Vinnie pay you a visit and show you the error of your ways. (Hint, long words make the screen scroll sideways, and makes the moderator irritable) SDStaff Lynn ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/154 "1999-11-03T13:53:00Z")
Well, damn, shane. . .you’re acting far too polite, now. Next thing you know this topic is going to go the way of the dodo. Cut it out. Nice to see you opening up to new things. Waste Flick Lives! ---
**Author:** ![metroshane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@metroshane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/metroshane)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/155 "1999-11-03T14:58:00Z")
Don’t worry, I kicked a puppy on the way home. * * * All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/156 "1999-11-03T15:25:00Z")
So long as you keep up appearances. . . Waste Flick Lives! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/157 "1999-11-03T15:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > The two picky eaters I know are carnivores. The two pickiest eaters I know (compared to me, practically EVERYONE is a picky eater) are sisters. One is a vegetarian, while one will eat chicken and the very occasional burger (but no seafood, because that’s _nasty_). The vegetarian isn’t one for health, religious, or moral reasons. She’s a vegetarian because she can’t stand any meat. To her, it’s all gross. The funny thing is, she can’t stand most vegetables, either. I’ve seen her eat succotash and mashed potatoes, and that’s it. She lives on fruit, bread, and dairy products. Her sister does basically the same thing, only she will eat pasta marinara and a little bit of meat every now and then. They both are very pale and skinny and prone to dizzy spells, even though they chomp down vitamins like they’re going out of style. On the other hand, I am a carnivore, and will eat just about any damn thing put in front of me. Everything in Rich’s list on the previous page made me very, very hungry. I ADORE tofu, if cooked well, and will even buy it and cook it myself. Metroshane’s dinner sounded yummy to me, although I’m not quite sure what an eggplant truffle would be. I am completely happy with eating meals with no meat in them at all–in fact, I do that often, because I don’t make all that much money, and veggies and pasta are somewhat less expensive. But, since I was raised to eat pretty much everything that was put in front of me, I developed a taste for meat as well. ---
**Author:** ![VegForLife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9de0a6/32.png) [@VegForLife](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegForLife)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/158 "1999-11-03T17:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > They both are very pale and skinny and prone to dizzy spells, even though they chomp down vitamins like they’re going out of style. I think they both need tongue transplants. Rich ---
**Author:** ![Atrael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Atrael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atrael)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/159 "1999-11-03T17:49:00Z")
It’s obviouse by now that only one side of this debate is willing to give any. Most of you jump right in and accuse Metroshane for being impolite for have a moment of silence to gird himself for the meal, but you say it was perfectly fine for the hostess to serve whatever she wanted with no regard to her guests. Bull. Having lived in several different countries during my life, I have a ton of off-the-wall meals that I can prepare (assuming that I can find goat balls in VA) but if I was going to indulge my culinary tendancies, I’d make sure that either 1)My guest knew what was going to be served or 2)Make sure there were some other dishes that I was fairly sure all could enjoy. Now I could care less what someone wants to eat. It doesn’t really matter, what does bother me is that everyone seems to think that if you’re a vegitarian, you can serve whatever the hell you want at a dinner engagment, and expect your guest all gobble it down with no objections. By that same logic, I could invite someone I knew was a vegetarian over, and serve a nice Cob Salad for starters, then maybe some nice thick bean soup with a ham-bone thrown in for flavor. Main course could be pork-chops marinated in pesto sauce, with some stuffed shells to go alone (stuffed with a spicy meat). I could consider this a well rounded meal, not only meat, but every dish having some meat in it, and this would be fine huh? I mean she could pick the chicken off right?..Or take the stuffing out of the shells…or just sit there and push the food around the plate and drink water. My point is, that while I as a host can serve any damn thing I want, I should take into consideration the likes and/or dis-likes of my guests. Not show off with every wacko recipe that I can think of…unless they have been forwarned. * * * “Love thine enemies…it really pisses them off.” -Anon ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 1999, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160/160 "1999-11-03T20:06:00Z")
Drain Bead: Neither of your picky vegetarian friends are actually vegetarian. > [@](#): > > One is a vegetarian, while one will eat chicken and the very occasional burger > [@](#): > > Her sister does basically the same thing, only she will eat pasta marinara and a little bit of meat every now and then. They eat animal flesh “now and then”. I am quite anal about this - as I rambled on about in an earlier post. People who still eat some animal flesh _are not_ vegetarians, even though they may call themselves veggie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-vegatarians/3160.md?page=9)