# I hate you, you fucking bastard. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 27, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658 "2005-09-27T13:39:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/21 "2005-09-27T15:56:30Z")
I agree with **Cat Jones**. If your boss is in the habit of making offensive remarks, I’d get a bunch of your coworkers together, document the daylights out of it and go to HR as a group. They may be able to dismiss one person as a case of “he said; she said” or say she’s making a mountain out of a molehill. If you can show he makes a habit of being rude and offensive, you should all have a lot more credibility. It’s been my experience that, when it comes to people like this, there are often a lot of people who’d like to see something done about him or her. All they’re waiting for is someone to do something. Isn’t it about time it got started? Good luck! CJ ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/22 "2005-09-27T15:59:14Z")
> [@Cat Jones](#): > > Big Happy Yeay 🙂🙂 > I hope you have a wonderful time. > > BTW would any of your colleagues feel strongly enough about him to go to HR as a group ? Thanks! 🙂 This actually happened last year - me and two other girls complained because of various discriminatory/sexual comments he had made, and a couple profs complained to his supervisor as well b/c every time they called him with questions he would hide behind his voicemail and either never return their calls, or make me relay messages to them. Again he was able to use his gift of gab to slither out of shit creek. He didn’t get off scot-free, but he got a little slap on the wrist and I hear his yearly review wasn’t so fantastic. I’m hoping one of these days he’ll get caught doing something really bad so they can fire his ass on the spot. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/23 "2005-09-27T16:02:48Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > I’ll have to check out the laws here about recording someone without their consent. My mom also suggested the tape recorder thing, but I’m worried about him hearing the “click” of the button. Three words: Voice Activiated Recorder ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/24 "2005-09-27T16:08:19Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Three words: > Voice > Activiated > Recorder Ooo! But wouldn’t it go off everytime _anyone_ spoke? I’d be afraid the batteries would die just before he decided to say something shitty. Are they very expensive? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/25 "2005-09-27T16:13:19Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ll have to check out the laws here about recording someone without their consent. My mom also suggested the tape recorder thing, but I’m worried about him hearing the “click” of the button. He’d get suspicious if I was reaching into my pocket and clicking something every time he was in my vicinity. > He’s got this remarkable gift of charm where he can talk his way out of anything. I can’t believe how much he gets away with. And I’m sure HR sees lots of cases like this, but he was even able to fool them into thinking he was innocent. > > He’s very creepy too…he has a huge porn collection that he actually BRAGS about, and he’ll make passes to the other (married!) girls at work…“You look hot today”, “Your hair is really pretty like that”. > > He actually really scares me. Turn on the tape recorder early. Like out in the parking lot. Then let it run and wait for him to say something wrong. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/26 "2005-09-27T16:14:45Z")
I love it that you’re going to get to go to the conference with your group. You should get someone to videotape it for you, and when you see him next offer him the tape. :: **SCL** is a bitch:: Document. Have witness document. Talk amongst yourselves, and everytime you hear this jerkoff say something offensive, be it to you or another worker, document it. Get a mountain of material and go to HR. If they refuse to act, go to the press. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/27 "2005-09-27T16:17:18Z")
> [@wisernow](#): > > As per law, you can record a conversation as long as **you** are a party to it. It is illegal to record conversations between others if you are not present. This makes wire taps illegal and a criminal offence. > > So, yes it is a good idea for **Amazon Floozy Goddess** to record this guy’s shit and use it to put him in his place. Thank you for the info. But to be completely safe, please tell us if the legality applies to Ontario, where AFG lives and works. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/28 "2005-09-27T16:20:28Z")
> [@Snakescatlady](#): > > … > > Document. Have witness document. Talk amongst yourselves, and everytime you hear this jerkoff say something offensive, be it to you or another worker, document it. Get a mountain of material and go to HR. If they refuse to act, go to the press. A wonderful idea. **Snakescatlady**. Much better and more powerful than my tape recorder suggestion. Do it **AFG**. Get that **sonofabitch**. ---
**Author:** ![wisernow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@wisernow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wisernow)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/29 "2005-09-27T16:33:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’d be interested in reading this law in detail. Can you provide a cite? From[here](http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/42458.html) 184.2 (1) A person may intercept, by means of any electro-magnetic, acoustic, mechanical or other device, a private communication where either the originator of the private communication or the person intended by the originator to receive it has consented to the interception and an authorization has been obtained pursuant to subsection (3). ---
**Author:** ![wisernow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@wisernow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wisernow)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/30 "2005-09-27T16:37:06Z")
> [@E = mc²](#): > > Thank you for the info. > > But to be completely safe, please tell us if the legality applies to Ontario, where AFG lives and works. Yes, it applies to all of Canada including Ontario. I have posted the link in my reply to **Bricker**. She will need to get an authorization from a judge, which given the context of the case, should not be a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/31 "2005-09-27T17:48:38Z")
> [@E = mc²](#): > > Always carry a portable tape recorder at work. > > Wear your aboriginal jewelry. > > Surreptitiously, turn tape recorder on whenever he enters the room. > > Record Boss’s derogatory comments. > > Go to HR. Play tape. > > Wish a smug goodbye to Boss as he cleans out his desk. dude a TAPE RECORDER?!?!?!? my phone and my mp3 player have built in voice record (sorry just had one of those “wtf cassette tapes” moments) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/32 "2005-09-27T18:25:15Z")
> [@wisernow](#): > > Yes, it applies to all of Canada including Ontario. I have posted the link in my reply to **Bricker**. > > She will need to get an authorization from a judge, which given the context of the case, should not be a problem. Actually, according to the statute, not only is a judge’s authorization required, but the application for that authorization must come from a peace officer. So, the OP would have to go to the cops, explain her situation, and then the cops would have to swear out an affidavit and present it to the judge before an interception could be authorized. You suggest that this “should not be a problem.” I’d be interested to know upon what you base this assumption. An unsubstantiated allegation from a single member of the public seems pretty shaky grounds for such an interception, i would think. I’m not trying to minimize the OP’s plight, or to excuse the conduct of her boss. I’m just saying that, based on the wording of the statues, i would be rather surprised if authorizations to intercept communications were so easy to come by. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/33 "2005-09-27T18:32:22Z")
Yikes. Looks like I’m going to have to do some serious work to get him found out. If HR was only dependable this wouldn’t be a worry…one of my co-workers went to them awhile ago because her boss was referring to her and her other female co-workers as “Bitches and Ho’s”…to their FACES! :eek: and, stealing store product on top of that! My co-worker presented proof to HR and everything…and it was the same deal as with my boss. Slap on the wrist, “Now don’t you do that again.”…Unbelieveable. :mad: Sometimes I wonder if they just don’t fire them b/c of the hassle of having to train somebody new. ---
**Author:** ![velvetjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5f9b8f/32.png) [@velvetjones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velvetjones)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/34 "2005-09-27T18:53:10Z")
You and your co-workers need to lean harder on HR. If your boss is creating an environment that is making you uncomfortable while you do your job, that’s harrassment. A “slap on the wrist” isn’t enough. There must be a Canadian equivalent of the ACLU. See if you can get them to help you. This asshole shouldn’t go unpunished. But I’m glad you got your day off. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/35 "2005-09-27T23:20:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’d be interested in reading this law in detail. Can you provide a cite? for Ontario, I believe you can find it [here](http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42458.html) ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/36 "2005-09-27T23:32:56Z")
You and your fellow employees need to make a concerted effort to make this guy’s work environment a living hell. See if you can make him quit. Take it on as sort of a project; whoever’s working when he finally storms out gets taken out for dinner by the rest of the employees. It’s a contest! GAME ON! ---
**Author:** ![elfbabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b782af/32.png) [@elfbabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfbabe)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/37 "2005-09-28T01:19:24Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Said plans should conform to his Aboriginal racism as much as possible. “Sorry, can’t help you out. Totem Pole carving class tonight!” “Nope, can’t do it, Smoke Signals for Dummies class!” “Sorry, paleface. Mighty Eagle needs me.” Regarding the legality of you recording stuff, the previously linked page also has this to say: > [@](#): > > “private communication” means any oral communication, or any telecommunication, that is made by an originator who is in Canada or is intended by the originator to be received by a person who is in Canada and **that is made under circumstances in which it is reasonable for the originator to expect that it will not be intercepted by any person other than the person intended by the originator to receive it** , and includes any radio-based telephone communication that is treated electronically or otherwise for the purpose of preventing intelligible reception by any person other than the person intended by the originator to receive it; Is it reasonable for him to expect that no one will hear what he says to you in the office? No idea. This is probably one of those things they teach you in law school. ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/38 "2005-09-28T01:40:33Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > You and your fellow employees need to make a concerted effort to make this guy’s work environment a living hell. See if you can make him quit. Take it on as sort of a project; whoever’s working when he finally storms out gets taken out for dinner by the rest of the employees. It’s a contest! GAME ON! This idea has promise. But some people are surprisingly tenacious. Annoying little fuckwits like this never quit. They know their chances of getting away with the same behavior somewhere new is slim. I would guess he will stick it out there until he gets a job offer he cannot afford to pass up or until he’s fired. I cannot believe how terribly your HR department is handling all of this. Have you all considered going to HR en masse and telling them if he isn’t fired you will all quit? Or do you not all have problems with him? Definitely document the things that he does. I cannot stress that point enough. It will help if you have records of dates, times and things he’s done/said. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/39 "2005-09-28T04:14:53Z")
> [@Jaade](#): > > This idea has promise. But some people are surprisingly tenacious. Annoying little fuckwits like this never quit. They know their chances of getting away with the same behavior somewhere new is slim. I would guess he will stick it out there until he gets a job offer he cannot afford to pass up or until he’s fired. > > I cannot believe how terribly your HR department is handling all of this. Have you all considered going to HR en masse and telling them if he isn’t fired you will all quit? Or do you not all have problems with him? > > Definitely document the things that he does. I cannot stress that point enough. It will help if you have records of dates, times and things he’s done/said. Not everyone has a problem with him. I wasn’t kidding when I said he has a real gift for talking his way out of things. He can also talk his way into things. He could charm the birds from the trees if he wished. There’s a lot of people whose eyes he’s got the wool completely pulled over. You’d think though, that they’d suspect that there’s something wrong with a 27 year old guy who makes 50k a year, has his own flashy car and designer clothes, but STILL lives with mommy and daddy. One of my co-workers is friends with a girl who used to _shudder_ date him, and I’ve had some stories passed on to me from that. Mommy still buys his groceries and cooks for him, and he doesn’t even pay rent! And the porn collection I mentioned? You know those big CD binders you can get that hold a few hundred CDs each? Apparently he has three of those…full. So you’ve got: Guy with full-time job making plenty of money, still nursed by parents, huge porn collection. HIGH creep factor. That aside, I have started putting down in writing every incident that happens, even if it’s small. At least that way if something really bad happens I’ll at least have some convincing documentation, if not proof. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658/40 "2005-09-28T04:19:30Z")
> [@elfbabe](#): > > “Sorry, paleface. Mighty Eagle needs me.” _snort_😃 I should talk that way ALL the time just to piss him off. “Me need pay visit to Chief Running Bowels in sacred bathroom.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hate-you-you-fucking-bastard/323658.md?page=3)