# I have changed my mind about the Clinton email scandal (and so should you) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514 "2016-03-29T13:31:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/201 "2016-06-10T09:39:54Z")
How many Dopers have changed their minds per the OP’s admonition? Let’s have a show of hand. (Mine ain’t up.) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/202 "2016-06-10T09:55:53Z")
Good. So if she does get indicted, you’re sure she did nothing wrong and she will remain the candidate of the Democratic Party. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/203 "2016-06-10T10:59:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Good. So if she does get indicted, you’re sure she did nothing wrong and she will remain the candidate of the Democratic Party. Only until she gets hit by the asteroid. Got to think of all the eventualities. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/204 "2016-06-10T11:36:51Z")
Indictment is just a bit more likely. If it was a slam dunk that there would be no indictment, there wouldn’t be an investigation in the first place. Betting markets place the odds at 23% ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/205 "2016-06-10T11:41:47Z")
Oh? What’s the betting markets’ odds on the asteroid strike? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/206 "2016-06-10T11:42:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Good. So if she does get indicted, you’re sure she did nothing wrong and she will remain the candidate of the Democratic Party. You set a daunting standard, **addy**. But I gotta admit, she is most likely not a virgin. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/207 "2016-06-10T12:14:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh? What’s the betting markets’ odds on the asteroid strike? Don’t worry, if she does die, you can replace her on the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/208 "2016-06-10T12:20:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Don’t worry, if she does die, you can replace her on the ticket. Sorry, it appears she will remain on the ticket. And win. Probably twice. Now, tell us about Your Guy’s good points. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/209 "2016-06-10T12:24:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Don’t worry, if she does die, you can replace her on the ticket. I’m not worried. I don’t get a vote anyways. But really, there is no reason to value the betting markets opinion on this matter. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/210 "2016-06-10T12:31:58Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’m not worried. I don’t get a vote anyways. But really, there is no reason to value the betting markets opinion on this matter. Should be easy money for you, then. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/211 "2016-06-10T12:39:22Z")
Yeah, a 22% gain on a sure thing. The stock market certainly won’t give you that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/212 "2016-06-10T12:47:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Good. So if she does get indicted, you’re sure she did nothing wrong and she will remain the candidate of the Democratic Party. This doesn’t logically connect to the post you’re responding to. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/213 "2016-06-10T12:58:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yeah, a 22% gain on a sure thing. The stock market certainly won’t give you that. It does sound like a safe bet to me but I never said there’s a zero percent chance of an indictment. I said a random bunch of people have little to no insight on what the FBI has found or what it will do. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/214 "2016-06-10T14:04:44Z")
New reporting on the focus of the investigation today: [Emails in Clinton Probe Dealt With Planned Drone Strikes - WSJ](http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-emails-in-probe-dealt-with-planned-drone-strikes-1465509863) It seems that our nation’s diplomats don’t have access to secure email at home or while traveling–which is fucking nuts. Even if operational details weren’t given, talking about imminent military strikes over insecure networks is stupid. Before this, has there been any reporting on that problem? Does anyone know if Congress has been asked to fund better communications systems? One pet peeve about all this report (among many), is the implicit suggestion that if someone intercepted or read these emails that there would be evidence of this. That’s not how it works, especially on an amateur server. It is entirely possible that one or more entities intercepted these emails without leaving any evidence that can now be discovered. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/215 "2016-06-10T14:56:31Z")
So, IOW, blaming Clinton for non-secure emails is like blaming her for air pollution because she drives a car. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/216 "2016-06-10T15:00:31Z")
Say, is this a scandal yet? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/217 "2016-06-10T15:15:12Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > So, IOW, blaming Clinton for non-secure emails is like blaming her for air pollution because she drives a car. > > Okay. You think the Secretary of State is to the State Department as a car owner is to the design of automobiles. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/218 "2016-06-10T15:43:35Z")
haven’t changed my mind at all. it was a non “scandal” to start and has remained so. she has released tens of thousands of the emails… hundreds of people and news outlets have poured over everything and found no wrong doing. Based on the last report she didn’t do anything different than the previous Sec of States… hell Colin Powell just flat out refused to turn over paper copies of his emails… its a witch hunt, nothing more. The only good thing that should come out of this is a revamp of how our govt. communicates internally and how data is stored. That wont happen… but it would be nice to think it might. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/219 "2016-06-10T15:43:52Z")
Well, as you said… > [@](#): > > It seems that our nation’s diplomats don’t have access to secure email at home or while traveling I just don’t see how Hillary is to blame for that, all by her lonesome. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/220 "2016-06-10T15:51:37Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > I just don’t see how Hillary is to blame for that, all by her lonesome. She shares some of the blame because she was in charge, she was specifically informed about the problem of senior diplomats including herself communicating on insecure networks, and what she did to attempt to solve it was equal parts inadequate and inappropriate. I’m not sure what other required elements there are for “blame.” Naturally, people want to argue about all kinds of other issues, like whether this means Trump is better, whether the GOP actually cares about the security issues or is just playing politics, whether any of the vulnerable data actually led to security compromises, whether this rises to the level of “scandal,” blah blah blah. But that’s mostly side-show. Not every criticism of a politician has to be handled as some kind of zero-sum partisan slugfest. It is possible to think a criticism raises a serious and important issue without changing your party registration. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=12)