# I have changed my mind about the Clinton email scandal (and so should you) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514 "2016-03-29T13:31:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/281 "2016-06-13T21:22:25Z")
I’d still love to know how you came to know the classification system inside and out. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/282 "2016-06-13T21:25:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’d still love to know how you came to know the classification system inside and out. U.S. Naval Academy, Class of '86. Standard part of officer training. Are we clear now? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/283 "2016-06-13T21:32:26Z")
Uh, ok. Little bit of a bold statement to make based on a college course you took 30 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/284 "2016-06-13T21:37:44Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Uh, ok. Little bit of a bold statement to make based on a college course you took 30 years ago. Not my only source of working knowledge of the system, but that’s all I’m going to mention. Yeah I know, it’s easy to be mysterious about it. Too bad. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/285 "2016-06-13T21:41:34Z")
Yeah, I figure you’re overstating your mastery of the subject but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/286 "2016-06-13T21:47:59Z")
Aww, I’ll just have to live with that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/287 "2016-06-13T21:53:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Aww, I’ll just have to live with that. The familiar cry of the internet blowhard. Never loses it’s charm. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/288 "2016-06-14T01:02:49Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > The familiar cry of the internet blowhard. Never loses it’s charm. Nice innuendo when you know I can’t possibly defend myself. Nevertheless, I have shown that I have experience with the topic. How many security clearances have YOU had? Lemme help you; it’s an integer greater than -1 and less than 1. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/289 "2016-06-14T01:28:27Z")
Look, you’re the guy who bragged he knew a fairly complex topic “inside and out”. I’ve seen lots of high officials and departments have points of disagreement. I have seen posters here make reasonable seeming testaments of their level of experience with security clearances. No, you have not impressed me that you know the issues inside and out. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/290 "2016-06-14T01:44:04Z")
**Johnny Ace** seems well-informed to me. What, specifically, do you think he is wrong about, **CarnalK**? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/291 "2016-06-14T12:49:47Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > **Johnny Ace** seems well-informed to me. What, specifically, do you think he is wrong about, **CarnalK**? Oh? Could you point to something he said here that gave you that impression? Because I have just looked over his posts and failed to find really anything of substance. Mostly just standard internet bickering and “only anti-Clinton people think this means anything”. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/292 "2016-06-14T12:58:34Z")
You won’t point out anything you think he’s wrong about, so you want me to pick out what he’s said that sounds reasonable? I asked you first. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/293 "2016-06-14T13:57:14Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You won’t point out anything you think he’s wrong about, so you want me to pick out what he’s said that sounds reasonable? I asked you first. That’s my point: he hasn’t said anything. Not one of his posts has demonstrated knowledge or ignorance on the handling or mishandling of classified info. He’s apparently not at liberty to divulge in even the broadest terms what real world experience he has with handling classified info. Compare that to what, for instance, iiandyiii has posted. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/294 "2016-06-14T14:02:30Z")
Wikileaks has some emails: > **[WikiLeaks to publish more Hillary Clinton emails - Julian Assange](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/12/wikileaks-to-publish-more-hillary-clinton-emails-julian-assange)** > > New release likely to fan controversy and provide further ammunition for Republican presidential rival Donald Trump ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/295 "2016-06-14T14:31:13Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s my point: he hasn’t said anything. Not one of his posts has demonstrated knowledge or ignorance on the handling or mishandling of classified info. He’s apparently not at liberty to divulge in even the broadest terms what real world experience he has with handling classified info. Compare that to what, for instance, iiandyiii has posted. He said **crypto** ’s post was a load of nonsense, which is a very credible position. Do you think **crypto** ’s post was a good one? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/296 "2016-06-14T14:45:09Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > He said **crypto** ’s post was a load of nonsense, which is a very credible position. > > Do you think **crypto** ’s post was a good one? No, I don’t think it was a good one. Now do you think I know security clearance inside and out? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/297 "2016-06-14T15:21:35Z")
I literally have no idea why you’re so bothered by **Johnny Ace**. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/298 "2016-06-14T15:32:27Z")
An appeal to your own authority on the iinternet is always a little annoying. Refusing to even give it’s context doubly so. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/299 "2016-06-14T15:39:02Z")
Hey **Johnny Ace** – you know the bags used to carry classified stuff? Can you describe how the locks work? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/300 "2016-06-14T15:41:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Hey **Johnny Ace** – you know the bags used to carry classified stuff? Can you describe how the locks work? It took me less than a minute to google that one. Granted it took a few tries to get the name of the bags right, but that’s not a good test. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=16)