# I have changed my mind about the Clinton email scandal (and so should you) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514 "2016-03-29T13:31:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/501 "2016-06-25T13:18:02Z")
Well, there are new revelations seemingly weekly. Wonder why she didn’t just dump all this months ago? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/502 "2016-06-25T13:45:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s approval is 42-55. I think it’s pretty safe to say that voters have had some issues with her conduct. Ah! So, there in the very middlest middle of the main steam, we find **addy** , the pearl of centrism! Of the people who disapprove of Hillary, how many are just hopping mad about the horror of e-mails? I rather disapprove of Hillary, but will likely vote for her. I disapprove of acne, but prefer it to smallpox. But we thank you for your concern! We’ll take it from here. Relax, put your feet up, have a nice cuppa. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/503 "2016-06-25T14:35:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s dishonest in that it doesn’t change anything about the morality of what she did. If you don’t have a problem with it now, you should stand by her if she’s indicted. Bullshit. My support for her has nothing to do with her integrity or morality and everything to do with her policies compared to Trump. It’s not dishonest at all to support her while she’s still got a great chance to win, but to advocate for a different nominee of she is indicted which would strongly damage her chances to win. So stop with this bullshit criticism. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/504 "2016-06-25T14:39:39Z")
You have no idea what her policies will be. She’s flip flopped on nearly everything in order to beat Sanders. Maybe the ethical problems are a smart strategy of some sort. Distracts from the fact that she’s the biggest flip-flopper in Presidential campaigning history. That would be THE story if not for the ethics problems. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/505 "2016-06-25T14:50:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You have no idea what her policies will be. She’s flip flopped on nearly everything in order to beat Sanders. Maybe the ethical problems are a smart strategy of some sort. Distracts from the fact that she’s the biggest flip-flopper in Presidential campaigning history. That would be THE story if not for the ethics problems. Bullshit. She’s always supported an increase to the MW; she’s always supported infrastructure spending; she’s always supported universal health care; she’s always supported SS and food stamps and other assistance programs… The details may have changed a little on some of these issues, but domestically we have a very good idea of how she will govern: somewhere in between Bill Clinton and Obama. In foreign policy there is a little more vague and altered positions, but she’s still been much more consistent and coherent than Trump, not that this is a high bar to clear. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/506 "2016-06-25T19:52:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You have no idea what her policies will be. She’s flip flopped on nearly everything in order to beat Sanders. Horseshit. [Her record](http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/) was more liberal than Obama and slightly “barely more moderate” than Sanders when they served together. This is more of the bullshit that Republicans (and so-called Progressives) believe because of dogma but is not supported by the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/507 "2016-06-25T20:34:50Z")
On the bright side, if Hillary is elected President, you can bet the farm she’ll be completely up-tight with security discipline from here on out … hoe boy … I think she’s learned her lesson alrighty … ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/508 "2016-06-25T21:34:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s approval is 42-55. I think it’s pretty safe to say that voters have had some issues with her conduct. Which, of course, is an indicator of absolute truth. Just ask the runners of the Republican mudslinging machine. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/509 "2016-06-25T21:38:10Z")
I knew people capable of tying their shoes or making their own oatmeal who thought Nixon wasn’t lying. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/510 "2016-06-25T21:53:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > 1. No they don’t. > > 2. Yes there is. Very broad but succinct, and absurd, responses. The original statements: 1. Senior people have some responsibility to recognize sensitive information themselves. 2. There isn’t some authority above all of them saying what it is or isn’t 3. Hillary and someone at the CIA would have no responsibility not to have a call discussing the names of senior US moles in a hostile government on a regular cell phone? What they say on that call wasn’t ‘previously stamped classified’, but obviously they have a responsibility not to do that. The idea of the system and the law is to protect sensitive information, not to follow a particular rote procedure. In some cases that could cut in favor of a person accused of a violation. But to say there’s no such responsibility is ridiculous. 4. Senior officials responsible for areas of the executive branch and ultimately the head of the branch, ie the President, have input to classification decisions. Again this could cut both ways. For example at times Presidents have been accused of ‘leaking classified information’ when it leaks from the WH for apparently political purposes. But the President can declassify whatever he wants to. It’s a question of whether it’s responsible, not legal. The Secy of State doesn’t have that full latitude, and could run into legal problems. But the idea that classification is decided on a level of authority above everybody is self evidently ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/511 "2016-06-26T15:11:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, there are new revelations seemingly weekly. No, it’s the same old desperate trivial bullshit _repeated_ weekly. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/512 "2016-06-27T03:32:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Which, of course, is an indicator of absolute truth. Just ask the runners of the Republican mudslinging machine. The NY Times? The Obama State Department? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/513 "2016-06-27T04:27:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The NY Times? The Obama State Department? What has she been convicted of again? What actual evidence do you have? The GOP throws tantrums and does nonstop investigations because they’re evil cunts. The fact that with the keys to the subpoenas, all they’ve ever been able to throw against her is nonsense like, “email-gate” means Clinton is fantastically above-board. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/514 "2016-06-27T04:28:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The NY Times? The Obama State Department? The New York Times has a history of also getting into the mud when Clinton is the subject. And the State Department Report is about rules, not laws. What I noted is that no punishment or recommendation of it was in there. But that she was slammed for what she admitted that it was a mistake is clear. One thing I do note here too, for all that Clinton AFAIK has not banned the NTY from her campaign; Trump, in a move that not even Nixon did, has banished several news groups from covering his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/515 "2016-06-27T05:36:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > What has she been convicted of again? What actual evidence do you have? > > The GOP throws tantrums and does nonstop investigations because they’re evil cunts. The fact that with the keys to the subpoenas, all they’ve ever been able to throw against her is nonsense like, “email-gate” means Clinton is fantastically above-board. Trump hasn’t been convicted of anything, therefore he’s never done anything wrong. All allegations against him are obviously made up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/516 "2016-06-27T05:46:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump hasn’t been convicted of anything, therefore he’s never done anything wrong. All allegations against him are obviously made up. I think you have it backwards, all allegations made by Trump about himself are obviously made up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/517 "2016-06-27T06:08:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Oh, I know they just want to win. And sure, at the convention they can change the candidate, and I think they should. > > But a criminal charge doesn’t change what she did, and don’t think we won’t take advantage of the Democratic Party’s powers that be almost unanimous unconcern with her actions should she get indicted after the convention. If I steal a pack of gum from a store, I stole it whether or not they decide to charge me. I’m a petty thief either way. Frankly speaking - All this talking isn’t worth anything. How long has this investigation been going on for now? You really think that after so long, Clinton will be indicted prior to the election? There is totally ZERO chance of that happening now and the chances become less after the convention. In exactly the same way that the Trump U case won’t be heard before the election, or any of the other myriad of things perculating about Donald’s malfeasance. (no the Tax Dept will NOT make any comment on his returns - clean or otherwise, prior to the election either) The only thing that can happen right now is an unequivocal statement that there will not be an indictment - that the investigation is being closed with recommendations of future procedures but no further action being taken against anyone. (and if this does happen, there will, of course, but 179 investigations after she becomes president) ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/518 "2016-06-27T06:10:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Lack of transparency in a politician is proof of wrongdoing to the majority of the electorate. This isn’t a trial. It’s an election. We expect more than merely technical compliance with the law. Working on that basis - are there any activities of Trump’s that you view as “technical” compliance with the law and that should disqualify him? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/519 "2016-06-27T06:13:27Z")
Trump is already disqualified. 70% of voters don’t like him. Clinton is also disqualified. 55% don’t like her. So the question is, who will get a small plurality and sneak into the White House through the back door? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/520 "2016-06-27T08:59:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Lack of transparency in a politician is proof of wrongdoing to the majority of the electorate. It is certainly easy to spin it that way to people who are desperate to find something to support a basic partisan hatred, yes. > [@](#): > > We expect more than merely technical compliance with the law. And that’s really what you’re reduced to now, isn’t it? Finding a way to spin compliance with the law as a _character flaw_. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=27)