# I have changed my mind about the Clinton email scandal (and so should you) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514 "2016-03-29T13:31:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/521 "2016-06-27T09:05:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It is certainly easy to spin it that way to people who are desperate to find something to support a basic partisan hatred, yes. > > And that’s really what you’re reduced to now, isn’t it? Finding a way to spin compliance with the law as a _character flaw_. 😛 It is so pathetic, that it’s difficult to accept it’s serious. Any other human subjected to the level of scrutiny that Hill-Dawg has been subjected to would be found wanting. She didn’t break any laws. She didn’t do anything wrong. Just because a lot of lying scumbags on the right, and a lot of gullible, passionate Sanders supporters on the left, retweet a bunch of the same nonsense, fact-deprived polemics, doesn’t make them true. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/522 "2016-06-27T09:10:29Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It is certainly easy to spin it that way to people who are desperate to find something to support a basic partisan hatred, yes. > > And that’s really what you’re reduced to now, isn’t it? Finding a way to spin compliance with the law as a _character flaw_. 😛 SHe didn’t actually comply with the law fully, but it often takes more than that to secure an indictment. She’s already claiming she “lost” emails that Abedin had. That’s a violation of recordskeeping laws, but probably not worth indicting her over because you can’t prove that it was done with intent to break the law. But if you want to assume incompetence, that’s fine too. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/523 "2016-06-27T09:22:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > SHe didn’t actually comply with the law fully, but it often takes more than that to secure an indictment. Specifically. In detail, please. Present your evidence. What indictment are they right on the border of? > [@](#): > > She’s already claiming she “lost” emails that Abedin had. That’s a violation of recordskeeping laws, but probably not worth indicting her over because you can’t prove that it was done with intent to break the law. It’s a production error. When you search and copy 50k emails, sometimes one gets lost in the shuffle. No one in their right mind would call that a violation of law. > [@](#): > > But if you want to assume incompetence, that’s fine too. It’s not incompetence for one email to go missing or be deleted by accident. Especially when another copy of it exists on your assistant’s computer files. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/524 "2016-06-27T09:25:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Specifically. In detail, please. Present your evidence. What indictment are they right on the border of? She did not actually turn over all work emails. And the ones she didn’t turn over just happened, by pure coincidence, to be slightly embarrassing. > [@](#): > > It’s not incompetence for one email to go missing or be deleted by accident. Especially when another copy of it exists on your assistant’s computer files. I think it’s pretty obvious that email wasn’t intended to ever be made public. I think most of the public draws similar conclusions. She was being shady. She simply wanted to control what the public saw. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/525 "2016-06-27T09:36:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She did not actually turn over all work emails. And the ones she didn’t turn over just happened, by pure coincidence, to be slightly embarrassing. Her statement was that she directed them to be turned over. If the techs who sifted them missed one, how is that a crime on her part? > [@](#): > > I think it’s pretty obvious that email wasn’t intended to ever be made public. I think most of the public draws similar conclusions. She was being shady. > > She simply wanted to control what the public saw. Well, if someone who hates Hillary with a passion finds it obvious, I suppose I don’t need to see any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/526 "2016-06-27T12:54:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump is already disqualified. 70% of voters don’t like him. Clinton is also disqualified. 55% don’t like her. So the question is, who will get a small plurality and sneak into the White House through the back door? “Disqualified” is silly nonsense. Plenty of people don’t like Hillary but are happy to vote for her. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/527 "2016-06-27T14:10:22Z")
The going-around is the coming-around. Twenty years of intense scrutiny have made Hillary a functional paranoid, the kind that isn’t crazy and has real enemies eager to exploit anything they can get their hands on. Even if they can’t. She not only had to review her options in terms of what a reasonable person might think, but in terms of what a raving loon might think. If your Mom or my Mom had been subjected to the same treatment, we would be opening an internet post telling us that she was the Whore of Babylon with full color photos of the Cups of Her Fornications. Not mine, I’m _real_ sure. Maybe yours, but I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/528 "2016-06-27T18:32:37Z")
Next up, the GOP Benghazi report. Any bets who it will blame directly? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/529 "2016-06-27T18:51:17Z")
I would bet Hillary but I would probably have to lay down $500 to earn $1, and with my luck today they would probably blame Obama. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/530 "2016-06-27T20:06:43Z")
500 to 1? Well, let me think. Put down a hundred, Trump wins, maybe enough money to buy some property in Canada. I hear it makes it easier. Only about four hours from the border, can probably get across before the Canadians close it. Start building their Wall… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/531 "2016-06-27T20:11:06Z")
Well, $100 down at 500:1 odds still is only $50k. I don’t know how much land $50k in suddenly devalued American currency will get you in Canada, but you may wish to hedge your bet by an order of magnitude. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/532 "2016-06-27T22:03:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She did not actually turn over all work emails. And the ones she didn’t turn over just happened, by pure coincidence, to be slightly embarrassing. So you’re saying she didn’t have the ambassador killed like Vince Foster after all? 😉 We’re not laughing at you, we’re laughing \*with \*you. You \*are \*laughing, aren’t you? No? Uh oh. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/533 "2016-06-28T04:51:22Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Her statement was that she directed them to be turned over. If the techs who sifted them missed one, how is that a crime on her part?. First, a ‘tech’ didn’t sift through her email. Clintons lawyers did. At least understand what happened before the knee-jerk dismissal. Second, it is Clintons responsibility to turn over the emails. Period. Had she used authorized systems we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Since she didn’t use the State systems, it is her responsibility to ensure all emails are turned over, regardless of who she picked to sort the emails. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/534 "2016-07-05T15:33:47Z")
[No charges in email “scandal”.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/fbi-director-james-comey-has-concluded-the-investigation-into-clintons-emails.html) FBI Director Comey said this: > [@](#): > > Although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case. (WARNING: Auto Play ad there. Sorry!) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/535 "2016-07-05T15:39:57Z")
> [@](#): > > “Our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” he said. And there it is. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/536 "2016-07-05T15:50:19Z")
And after all the accusations of being wrong (also in the Benghazi “scandal”) and that one should not trust those outfits like Talking Points Memo, MediaMatters, Slate or Salon it turns out that most of the experts they consulted were correct. Of course the record elsewere will show that, as usual, the ones using right wing media sources will either forget that they were had when the “experts” they consulted or the talking heads told then that Hillary **should** go to prision for this; or those consumers of misinformation will never bother to demand better from outfits like FOX, Breitbart, Drudge, World [del]nut[/del] Net Daily and many others that misguided them and will continue to do so. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/537 "2016-07-05T16:19:24Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > [No charges in email “scandal”.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/fbi-director-james-comey-has-concluded-the-investigation-into-clintons-emails.html) > > FBI Director Comey said this: > (WARNING: Auto Play ad there. Sorry!) No need for quotes around scandal. Comey said she was extremely careless in handling classified information. Things turned out exactly as I expected: no charges, but a pretty scathing statement from yet another impartial source. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/538 "2016-07-05T16:40:39Z")
So, **Addy** , was it, or was it not, a scandal when Powell and Rice both did the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/539 "2016-07-05T16:45:05Z")
No, it was not. Neither set up a private server to evade FOIA requirements, and neither lied about what they had done after the fact. Clinton has only revealed things as they’ve been found out. CAll it the Blue Dress Doctrine: never admit anything until it’s already discovered. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514/540 "2016-07-05T17:00:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, it was not. Neither set up a private server to evade FOIA requirements, and neither lied about what they had done after the fact. Clinton has only revealed things as they’ve been found out. CAll it the Blue Dress Doctrine: never admit anything until it’s already discovered. Only a scandal when it’s a Clinton is the lesson here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-changed-my-mind-about-the-clinton-email-scandal-and-so-should-you/750514.md?page=28)